Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 December 2009
20:4534291I didn't realise that this was a Q & A session I would have studied harder.Yes Minarets pose a threat because they are seen as the thin end of the wedge of the West accepting Islamic culture at the expense of it's own rich culture ,heritage and religion.
Let me give you a recent example; The Tory Community spokeswoman Baroness Warsi was pelted with eggs on a trip to Luton.She was then harangued by local Muslim men who accused her of not supporting sharia law.And in countries where sharia law applies what happens to protesters who throw eggs at politicians? Over to you Howard old chap.
Marek
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3 December 2009
20:4734292We are right to be cautious. Not bigoted, or racist or thoughtless, just cautious.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 December 2009
21:0734295i do not see any connection between minarerts and sharia law or egg throwing.
we will have to agree to differ.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 December 2009
21:1334297The connection is that unless they (Muslims) get their way they refuse to accept another nations laws regardless of how democratic (or not) the decision was reached.
As Bern quite rightly states...it sometimes pays to be "cautious".Hence the Swiss by means of a referendum have decided to do just that.It willl be interesting to see what happens next.
Marek
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Ross Miller
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3 December 2009
22:1734301Who are they Marek?
Not all Muslims are radicals or want sharia
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 December 2009
22:3434303Ross
I agree not all Muslims are radicals but the 'fundamentalists' who have,in my opinion,hijacked their religion,believe that it is their divine mission to convert the world to Islam,by any means. So what appears to be a harmless continuation and freedom to follow their faith in a foreign country by building mosques with tall minorets is seen by fundamentalists as another step towards world domination. That sounds a bit extreme and apologies it's been a long day but fundamentalists are not interested in living side by side with other faiths and will not be satisfied until there is only one faith...theirs!.
Marek
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Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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3 December 2009
23:4434309Howard, what ever your question on this thread you will always get a different line of answer mate.
No one will come foreward to upset anyone else I think, or to say the wrong words.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
4 December 2009
08:1134311I may use the C word, so brace yourselves:
In the days of the Crusades (there - I did it!) I suspect the Christians were as abrasive and confrontational (to say the least) as the extremist Middle Easterners appear to the West now. Certainly the threat and reality of violence was a clear and present danger. Imagine how the Middle Eastern countries would respond to Westerners demanding Catholic and C of E Churches and Synogogues as a highly visible and auditory presence. Historically things were done that were regretable and would not be contemplated now - let's move on. We are in the process of mopping up the damage created by centuries of mistrust, violence and international bullying. Perhaps accepting that the mistrust will take a while to go, accepting that cultures do not fit together like pieces of a jigsaw, but that respecting cultures matters, we can move away from the idea that all cultures have an equal weight in any given society and actually see how they do andf can fit together seperately - if you see what I mean!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 December 2009
19:2834407There is a well-known saying that evil triumphs when good men do nothing and I think this applies very well to this topic.
There is a majority of good muslims - followers of Islam, who are peace-loving people, but there is a rising number of fundamentalists - fanatics, who are making the running and these good men are doing nothing while the evil men, the fundamentalists/fanatics triumph.
Roger
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5 December 2009
19:4534408Let us remember that the Swiss have banned the building of minarets and not the building of mosques. As Marek rightly pointed out it is the minaret which the imam climbs to call the faithful to prayer five times a day, which in mixed community means telling all that they are praying. This can very easily be seen by some (certainly 58% of the Swiss electorate) as a way of imposing their views on the whole community. The genuinely faithful will know when it is time for them to pray, the extremists will see it as provocation.
Also remember that extremism is not limited to Muslims, what about the so-called Christians in America who see nothing wrong with murdering the staff of abortion clinics?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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5 December 2009
19:5434409Yes Chris. These Christians in America are no better, and the frightning thing is, there are politicians and schoolteachers who belong as well. Preaching the Earth is only 10,000 years old, and humans lived with the dinosaurs!!!!
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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5 December 2009
21:2234421Why start a thread about religion? You'll never get consensus - ever. You might just start a war, though. Politics and religion are best left as private beliefs.
True friends stab you in the front.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 December 2009
21:4834423the thread was not about religion, it was about the towers on top of mosques.
6 December 2009
08:4634433Symbols of religion, Howard, and powerful ones at that. The symbols can often take the place of actual faith! Catholics often use the crucufix as a kind of talisman to ward off evil - actually it is a tool for witnessing - more likely to attract than repel hostility.
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6 December 2009
13:1934453The sometimes fascinating thing on here Howard, is to see a thread finish up on something completely different. Anyway, we haven`t had many mosqueto`s about this year.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.