howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 October 2009
17:4929617you may well be right ross, but everyone i know that lives in the eurozone pines for their own currency back.
it seems to me that only the bureaucrats and politicians love it.
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1 October 2009
18:1829618Ross - your claim does not stand up to serious examination, very far from it in fact.
Ross Miller
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1 October 2009
22:5129631really Barry?
Your evidence for that assertion?
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2 October 2009
05:0229635The claims were thoroughly discredited when McMillan Scott made them. He himself is an extreme Eurofederalist and completely at odds with the Conservative Party and was following his own agenda.
I will post a link when I find them.
Meanwhile you can provide your evidence fopr what you claim.
Brian Dixon
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2 October 2009
08:2529649howard,to answer your question,this country is a nation of animal lovers,a white elephant is a animal maybe a rare one but an animal all the same.there again every thing has a sell by date and the pound has gone past well past its sell by date to the point thats festtering in the bank.therefore a change is needed sooner rather than later.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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2 October 2009
10:5229660Barry
The Polish Law and Justice Party is homophobic & when in power in 2006 ordered investigations of all gay groups for illegal financing, paedophilia and criminal connections. As policy it opposes recognition of same sex unions. Its leaders and many of its members clearly have a homophobic agenda, further they are staunchly catholic (with both a large and small C) and are proposing restrictions on abortion. It has a very pro family agenda and message - not in and of itself a bad thing.
The Latvian National Independence Movement is an ultra nationalist movement in Latvia, that opposes immigration, warns of the dangers of non Latvians etc. etc. (very BNP frankly). There are many accusations of past links of many of their members with the SS cadres drawn from Latvia during the Nazi occupation, these should probably be taken with a large pinch of salt.
The other parties seem to be fairly centre right conservative type parties with the usual free trade, small government, decentralisation, low tax, limit benefits policies that one expects.
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2 October 2009
16:3529674Ross
This link below provides William Hague's response to the disgraceful smears that Miliband, you and Sid are propagating.
Through this article you can find other links to a detailed rebuttal from the Latvian Government and Kaminski's response to the slurs against him. These set the record straight.
You can also see what Stephen Pollard, the editor of the Jewish Chronicle, has said about Milliband's smears as well as Stuart Polak, Director of Conservative Friends of Israel.
As for the 'homophobia' comments you made they do you no good either. There is a cultural issue here and if you really want to have a go at anyone over that you could just as easily target muslims. It is dangerous to expect other countries/cultures to adopt your prejudices. You would be very lonely you did not accept that other have a different attitude to yours on a subject that remains controversial in many parts of the world. Hysterical accusations of homophobia against anyone not fully signed up to that agenda is frankly ridiculous.
Might I also remind you of something that may be quite unpalatable to you. Labour, as members of the socialist group in the EU, are aligned also to some very dubious groups that could equally be subject to the same attacks you are making against some of the Conservative allies.
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2009/10/william-hague-accuses-david-miliband-of-insulting-the-latvian-government.htmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 October 2009
17:0929683sounds like our mep's are getting mixed up with some dubious characters.
there are some emerging parties in the old eastern bloc that have some rather extreme views.
this could not happen in our own parliament, we have much more control of and awareness of what our mp's are up to.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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2 October 2009
17:1329684howard you think so.memo to self,must re read policital blogs.
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2 October 2009
17:2429689What is dubious is our childlike Foreign Secretary smearing an alied foreign government with no factual basis. The Latvians, incidentally, have an, albeit small, presence supporting us in Afghanistan.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 October 2009
17:4829692out of interest why would anyone want to emigrate to latvia?
people do so to:
1) get work
2) get better paid work
3) squeeze the benefits system
i cannot see latvia fitting any of the above criteria.
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2 October 2009
18:2229694What on earth has that to do with this Howard?
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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2 October 2009
19:1529695Barry as I said those slurs should be taken with a pinch of salt, however I stand by my assertion gleaned from the Latvian National Independence Movement own publicity materials and policy statements that they are an ultra nationalist party that is opposed to immigration and is mildly xenophobic to say the least. I have nothing against Latvians, or any other Eastern Europeans, individually or collectively, in the main I have always found them to be straightforward, well educated, hard working individuals.
I make no hysterical accusations; the Polish Law & Justice party is homophobic, this is evident from numerous speeches, statements and actions when they were in government. I hold no truck with the culture argument, yes they are a Catholic country, but so are Ireland and Spain and they have both passed laws allowing same sex unions etc. They are now a member of the European Club and should adhere to certain minimum standards some of which you and I find unpalatable for different reasons but we adhere to them until we can get them changed.
Yes you are right that many Muslims are homophobic due to the teachings of their Imams, though Islam itself is not inherently homophobic, nor is it despite popular misconception inherently misogynistic.
Finally Barry, I am not a member of NuLab, though I am certainly left leaning. I do find a number of the extreme left parties including FO from France, the communists from France & Italy to be jsut as dubious, obnoxious and objectionable as the extreme right parties.
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"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 October 2009
19:3529698refer to post 26 barry, that will enlighten you about the latvian anti immigration party.