howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 September 2009
20:5729510newspaper reports today suggest that the EU are setting out plans that give them the power to have access to the bank accounts of all of it's citizens.
this may be scare mongering, but i totally distrust the unelected faceless people in brussels, and would urge our government to come clean on what they know.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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29 September 2009
21:0829512I quite agree with you about the EU. I would not trust that organisation as far as you could throw it.....
Interfering, controlling - its is everything I despise about 'big government'.
To think that the Lisbon Treaty gives them the right to expand the role of the EU with no more national right to veto and no more international agreement. It is quite shocking.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 September 2009
21:5429514i find it remarkable that people have so many fears about the BNP, a grouping that gets the odd councillor elected when the the real power lies with these centralised creeps that are answerable to none of us.
evry time i speak to someone that resides in the eurozone, utters the same sentiments.
Ross Miller
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29 September 2009
23:1829516The EU Commission (i.e. the civil service) displays the tendencies of all civil servants everywhere; the they know best attitude, the centralisation of power, the creeping bureaucracy, the plethora of pointless rules/regulations/laws all to justify their existence. Certain European politicians play ball with this as they are either French and generally ignore the stuff they do not like, are French/German/Spanish and have lined up a cosy position as a senior commissioner, or see it as the lesser of 2 evils and a way to avoid the decentralising desires of many of the new entrants or a way to put particularly the UK in its place. These members of the "political elite" really do fear the UK taking a more effective role in the EU and are happy to drive wedges between Labour and Conservative and must have been well chuffed when the Tories split from the Centre Right coalition.
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Brian Dixon
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30 September 2009
05:3729518a bit like our goverment then,i feel that the brussels mob are the lesser of the two evils.just take a look at what this goverment has done and the torys have got lined up for when get in power.the thought of what and where this country is going makes me sick to the teeth.
30 September 2009
07:4129523BarryW - if you take one end and I take the other, perhaps we can throw the blasted thing deep into the sea!!! I too distrust the EU and all its walls of silence and bureaocracy, and its endless one size fits all regulations and rules that deny difference, individuality and autonomy.
Chuck it, I say!!!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 September 2009
08:1329528You could be right but what do you replace it with? we can no longer stand on our own so where would the help come from.?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 September 2009
08:1529529The title of the thread says it all really: we have no friends in Brussels.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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30 September 2009
11:0429549thats right we are our biggest enamys,by not sticking up for ourselves and letting them [the rest of europe] walk all over us.you to be in to beat them at there own game,what ever that is.so its no good us sitting on this little isleland moaning and groaning about it,better to get inside and keep our enamys very close to keep an eagle on them.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 September 2009
16:2629563
I think you are right on that Brian the pound is no good anymore so that can go,And we might have more of a say in the running of the E.U..worth a try.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 September 2009
17:0229567how do you work that one out victor?
exchange rates have always fluctuated, our exporters are benefiting at present from the low rate of the pound.
no one has a say in the running of the european union, only bureaucrats.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 October 2009
07:0929580Well said Howard.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 October 2009
08:1729583Agreed, well said howard. With exchange rates it is always a bit of give and take, the rates will always fluctuate. We can be grateful for keeping the pound because the exchange rate is sharing some of the consequences for Brown's debt. If we were locked into the Euro we would have a whole set of very different problems.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 October 2009
08:2829586i believe also that our economic cycle does not run in tandem with most of the eurozone economies.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 October 2009
09:2529589Correct howard and there are other differences that we have compared to their economies, higher levels of home ownership and asperations, more small businesses and self employed being major factors. These differences could work against us if we were to be sucked into the Euro.
Sid Pollitt
1 October 2009
13:2429599Roger, and Barryw, you do have friends in Brussels. You know, the strange, the nasty, the rightwing and the neo nazis.
Peter Beamont writes in the Guardian: the Tories have ignored for the convenience of their political alliances in Europe. They have ignored the real history of the Latvian Legion - an organisation that included enthusiastic Nazis culpable in the murder of the country's Jews. They have chosen to gloss over as well that the issue of the legion's annual march in Riga is deeply distasteful to many Latvians in a country that suffered grievously at the hands of both Stalin and Hitler.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 October 2009
14:2929600Sid - you are guilty of mis-representing the facts, as usual. Try looking further than left-wing gossip sheets for information but then you have never been interested in the truth, only representing the very worse of the Labour Party.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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1 October 2009
16:2129604barryw,the right wing and center party ones are just as bad.
on the question of the pound is how much longer can we hold to a white elephant.
on the labour party front you can take them or leave them along with the lib/dems.
the tory party i wouldnt trust them as far as i can throw them,[and thats not very far].
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 October 2009
16:2929606why is the pound a white elephant brian?
a lot of experts are cautiously predicting the demise of the euro in the next decade or so.
it will be celebrated in a lot of european countries too.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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1 October 2009
17:3729613Barry, dress it up how you like but your new european chums are a fairly mixed bag from the democratic right through to the far right, some of those in the latter are a pretty nasty racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, misogynistic bunch.
Howard, the euro is frankly unlikely to disappear, if for no other reason than the Germans & French have invested far too much political as well as economic capital in it.
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