howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 September 2009
19:1328963#1
just when you may have thought we had enough pocket liners with our bankers, captains of industry and mp's, we find a new lot.
our top union bosses have been awarding themselves pay rises of around 30% whilst their members are taking pay cuts or losing their jobs.
who are we supposed to look up to?
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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15 September 2009
19:3928964#2
Get real Howie, I think we are going back to the dark ages.
I'm in a psition of trust so lets take the p**s, and they all get away with it time and time again. Aint going to end and never will.
So listen up you down trodden people, we are here to rip you all off as well as the government.
get used to it.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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15 September 2009
19:4328965#3
Is that right re wage rise...gosh is there no one left to beleive in. Just as I was beginning to see a glimmer of light in the re-emergence of trade unions all goes pearshaped image wise. I see a city high flyer was jailed today for fiddling his expenses. Okay it was close to £500,000 in his case...but he got FOUR years for fiddling expenses. No such justice meted out to our friends in the House. Perhaps they were not quite on the same scale as this city guy, but there was talk of criminal charges..one thinks in terms of back burner and long finger on that one.
As an aside...I saw some of Gordon Browns speech today at the TUC (Trades Union Congress), not all of it, but it sounded good. Cuts but cuts with thought. Not just swingeing cuts across the board which I fear the Tories may subject us too. You hear BarryW calling openly for swingeing cuts.
I particularly liked Gordon Browns question and answer session with apprentices. cant see the Tories quite doing something like that.
So....Just when you write Gordon Brown off...there is something there that springs back to life.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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15 September 2009
19:5028968#4
All to soon though Paul it all dwindles away and he's back to square one.
Four years for fiddling eh, How lucky are our people in the commons, they must still be laughing at us all.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 September 2009
19:5628969#5
Paul I agree with you on that Mr Brown has never had a good time as P.M. it has always been hard for him but he has stay with it never stoped just kepe on going and doing things he thinks was right at that time .I think at this time he is the only one that can get us out of the mess the U.K. is in. He NEEDS US ALL TO GET BEHIND HIM And help and not keep runing him down,i am not a red but can see he is the best man for the job at this time and can come out at the other end a winner,but he needs that back up from the public
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 September 2009
20:4128972#6
quite right victor, whatever our political allegiances, gb is the boss man, we sink or swim on the decisions he makes.
too many people seem to enjoy watching him suffer, the problem is that a lot of the public are suffering too.
until the next election, we should back his moves to get our country to turn the corner.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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15 September 2009
21:0928975#7
Brown has admitted the truth he tried to hide PaulB. Hide economic mismanagement and huge spending spree has left us with a bloated inefficient State machine.
Time for smaller Government that will leave us alone. Yes we do need swinging cuts and a total re-think about what Government should actually do.
If only I could be Chancellor for 4 years!!!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 September 2009
22:1028976#8
these swingeing cuts, where would they hit?
the opposition are very good at keeping it vague, the electorate will be asking this question more often, the nearer that the election comes.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 September 2009
07:2528982#9
And it isn't that far away is it ?
Questions need asking and answering of both parties, but I cannot agree that GB is doing a good job, not at all - not ever.
He's good at robbing, but not good at organising, or being honest; same with his Cabinet and Ministers.
Everything in Britain that touches our daily lives lives, is worse now than it was years ago, whether you're talking about immigration,. police, justice, crime, education, NHS, housing, society etc. etc.
12 years is long enough to take the blame for all our woes.
Roger
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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16 September 2009
08:2328984#10
Roger and Barry...you have to be aware that people out there are genuinely frightened of cuts...cuts in services, cuts in benefits. It scares the living daylights out of huge amounts of people out there with no money and no jobs trying to get through this bad recession. I heard leading Tory Iain Duncan Smith on the radio this morning saying his new study propeses soemthing like 49 benefit cuts from a total of 51. I think Ive got that right but I only heard it in passing. This of course in anyones book is pretty dramatic, pretty swingeing. Why would anyone vote for that?? where's the seduction in that?
I am fortunately not on any benefits and I think the only thing I get after a million years of service to the nation, is my Winter Fuel Allowance. No doubt that's scheduled for the axe if ther Conservatives win. It was a Labour gesture.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 September 2009
08:3528985#11
There must be cuts Paul, but not in front-line services; qangos yes, but I don't have sufficient information to say exactly which ones.
There are many others, like the ID cards, a complete waste of money.
Stricter controls on immigration, so we don't throw millions/billions way on those who don't deserve it - keep it for those who do.
Giving out the wrong message can destroy a party's hopes of winning, so it has to be well thought out and measured.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 September 2009
10:1328987#12
PaulB - you are mixing up cuts generally with cuts to benefits. It would be unprecedented for people to actually suffer benefits cuts unles they are capable of work (in that case so they should be cut...).
There are masive inefficiencies that can be cuts along with projects. I expand on this in my latest Blog..
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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16 September 2009
10:2228988#13
New Labour have stolen traditional Tory fiscal ground, as they have consistently spent less on public services as a percentage of GDP than even Thatcher. The Tories have responded by proposing an even further reduction with a net cut of £35bn across the UK by 2011.
So the accusations of "spend,spend and waste on the public services" levelled against GB are totally unfounded in my humble opinion.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 September 2009
13:4928990#14
Marek - you are totally wrong here and have no evidence to support that.
Labour have allowed spending on public services to expand in an uncontrolled way (except Defence). There is simply no factual evidence for what you are saying. Their own boasts about Health, education and benefits demonstrate this, for once these boasts are accurate.
Brian Dixon
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16 September 2009
14:3628991#15
more doom and gloom ,nothings changed there then.power cuts,strikes,hospitals and schools being short changed etc.need i go on.a winter of discontent.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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16 September 2009
16:0328995#16
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 September 2009
17:0228996#17
in answer to roger;s post stating that no-one had benefited from the 12 years of this government.
a lot of people will disagree, pensioners now have a minimum income guarantee, fuel allowance, free bus travel, free swimming . young families are supported by sure start and home start. the tax credit system(for all it;s faults) has got a lot of people off of benefits and into work.
hosoital waiting lists are a lot shorter.
those were just off of the top of my head, others might like to add more.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 September 2009
17:5629002#18
Howard, seing that private pensions have been undermined and all but destroyed by the policies and actions of Brown he has had to increase State benefits and mean tested benefits. His undermining of businesses with red tape and high taxes has more than offset any good he might have done. Then we get to the fiscal and public finance crisis he has created and the damage to pensioners and savers generally, with more damage yet to come through high inflation eroding fixed annuities which is a direct result of his domestic policies. Action even now by any new Government cannot avert all of that damage.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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16 September 2009
19:1529013#19
lets see how this works.cut all what has said divert that money into private pensions for those who dont need it.close 3 wards in every nhs hospital cut back on public services to the bone.raise income tax to 35% lowest rate.then we might get out ression by 2525.so much for tory polices.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 September 2009
21:4129020#20
You clearly have no idea about Conservative policies or attitudes Brian from your last post..
just put a smile on your face 24/7 and have fun,it will all work out in the end. 
