Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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27 October 2009
09:0231696Lets face it homophobia is widespread. We are currently experiencing a social trend whereby we all have to 'pretend' we accept it, but behind the scenes, when the Question Time cameras have stopped rolling, or indeed when life's public cameras have stopped rolling, plenty of people are hateful towards homosexuals. It is much more widespread than we dare to admit.
Let me reinforce what i said by a few points that cropped up just THIS WEEK alone.
The Church:
Part of the reason why the Church of England is disintegrating is that many of its members refuse to accept the existence of Gay people of any kind, and particularly as clergy. Its wrong according to the Bible many say, and these views are well and truly entrenched in a social makeup that isnt shifting any time soon.
Sports:
Point two brings me to Ireland this week. A leading sport star in Ireland was featured this week on Channel Four news. Not because of his magnificent sporting prowess in the very macho game of Hurling, but because he had declared himself rather bravely to be Gay. C4 said that he is the ONLY sports 'star' in the Western World in any sport to OUT himself. Life being the way it is, there must be many more sports stars who are Gay, but the sheer hostility of the public is preventing them outing themselves. Can you imagine the hateful abuse from a football terrace if a leading soccer star was Gay. I was a football fan on those terraces for many years and I know full well!
Policeman:
Point three brings me to the young off duty policeman who was beaten to a pulp yesterday because he was Gay. He has multiple fractures of the skull and multiple other injuries and is fighting for his life. A mob set upon him for no reason other than the fact that he was Gay and frequenting a Gay bar.
So any smug and phoney pretence that everyone loves Gays here in the UK is a complete fake. Tapping into this fakery is Nick Griffin, because he is astute enough in his own way, to know there are many of these hate people in our midst, all no doubt looking for a voice to represent them.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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27 October 2009
10:5831701PaulB - what I dont like is this assumption that someone is 'homophobic' just because they dont sign up to the full homosexual rights agenda.
Someone's sexual preference is for them. I frankly dont care what it is, it is an irrelivance in most respects as far as I am concerned. Violence and bullying against people because of their sexual orientation or for any other reason in totally wrong.
I approve of the Civil Partnerships primarily because, in my profession, I see where financial injustice can apply to homosexual couples compared to married couples if CP were not available. Hetero couples can choose to marry or not and it is a matter of basic freedom and justice that same sex couples should have a legal equivilent.
I am likewise against discrimination in almost all occupational situations. People should be employed, paid and promoted on merit.
What I dont approve of is the insistence by some that 'all relationships are equal'. A stable marriage between a man and woman for instance is without doubt the best environment to bring up children and needs recognition of that.
Neither do I believe that schools should be free to 'promote' homosexuality as an equal, merely alternative, lifestyle and to that degree I was in favour of S28. That said clearly help needs to be available to confused teenagers and if S28 prevented that (and I am not convinced it did) then it was too heavy handed.
I also remember a time when I had a trip to London with some colleagues for a business meeting. One the way to the hotel we got caught up in a 'Gay Pride' march and we felt most uncomfortable. I was appalled at the lewd and crude behaviour and was only glad my children were not with me. As far as I am concerned those people were the unacceptable face of homosexuality.
Some people are quick to lambast those of us who do not subscribe to the full homosexual agenda as 'homophobic'. I would argue that this is merely an attempt to bully people in staying quiet on those matters of concern to them. The test of homophobia is one of reasonableness, is someone against the whole agenda unthinkingly, if so then such accusations may be justified. But those who see sense in some aspects of the agenda but not others cannot possible be accused of that.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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27 October 2009
14:2031706Barryw
Not a bad posting but I need to take issue with parts of the post.
Whilst your virew on the gay march may not be (in your mind)what should happen it is a sad fact of life as paulb says we have people out there willing to injure/hurt/abuse just because of a persons sexual beliefs and i cant support that.
And until we get over that these issues will continue to be raised.
The positive discrimination one is tricky, as for some jobs maybe a man or woman is better suited, or the people they see may prefer to see a man or woman?
So there are some issues around what you say
Guest 662- Registered: 18 Mar 2008
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27 October 2009
14:5031711What a debate!! In our society, I believe there will always be homophobics just as there are atheists and racists, I take issue with those that think that gay couples do not make as good parents as a married couple though.
We have single mothers who bring home a different partner every few months and introduce them to their children, we have gay couples who foster children that no-one else wants and we have gay couples who through IVF are able to bring a child of their own into the world. Who are we to judge and say what is best?
I can tell you from experience that a member of my family has a son in a gay relationship and yes I was at first shocked by her decision, but my nephew is a bright/responsible/well rounded individual who has a zest for life at 9years old that most parents would be proud of, he has two mothers who love him unconditionally, he has a whole network of family around him and I am proud of them all.
His Nursery and then his School has supported both Parents unconditionally, they have ensured that the children attending School with my nephew accept his situation as different but nevertheless normal and as such he has a large circle of friends who regularly sleep over.
As for the Gay Pride March, can the same not be said for any such parade be it Gay or otherwise!!!!!
Sheli. x
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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27 October 2009
15:0431713SHELI
Agree with every part of your posting did mean to mention that to, but my post was getting long.
As you say, who are we to judge?
27 October 2009
16:2631733Barry - the outrageous Gay Pride exhibitionists are no more or less offensive than the straight eejits who make a picture of themselves in public too. I don't like either kind!! I love a bit of theatre but flaunting any sexuality in public makes me cringe! I have no (well, ok, little) wish to know what other people are doing to each other, so would prefer it if they didn't fling it about in the street!!
27 October 2009
22:2131774Nature's own hardware includes a plug and a socket, and I like it that way. But hey, each to their own. If certain individuals want to play with two plugs in the wrong sockets then who are we to stop them / judge them / refuse to employ them? I know a lot of people struggle with gays but at the end of the day, in general, a gay couple is still all about love, even if we heterosexuals do find their bedroom antics a bit difficult to swallow. Why deny gay people their happiness / opportunities just because the rest of us are uncomfortable with what we think they might get up to every night? Surely we have moved on from Oscar Wilde's day and made some progress. I always thought pedophiles were the modern sexual deviants of choice for society's hatred these days?
Oh and Sheli, thanks for lumping "atheists" in with "homophobics" and "racists" like we're some second-rate scurge on society. Kindly look up the meaning of "atheist". Ta.
28 October 2009
06:5331782I suppose given that paedophiles prey on and damage vulnerable children rather than having consenual adult relationships , lumping their deviancy together with homosexuality might be equally offensive...........?
By the way - your posting made me laugh out loud!!! (In a good way!)
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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28 October 2009
07:5831783Not sure peadophiles is summat to laugh about, but I do understand where your coming from
28 October 2009
08:0331785Can I just say I wasn't laughing about the paedophiles! It was the main body of the post I was referring to. I thought that might have been obvious.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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28 October 2009
08:0531787BERN
Point taken
Guest 662- Registered: 18 Mar 2008
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28 October 2009
12:1031813Rick dont be so sensitive, I merely referred to people with a different view to others and I am quite aware of what an atheist is thank you. No malice or slight intended sorry if I hurt your feelings.
I think also I made no reference to anyone being a second rate scurge on society.
28 October 2009
15:3931826There's plenty of time....................
Brian Dixon
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28 October 2009
19:1731851i just wandering how many gay priests there are in all religions,and not just church of england.
28 October 2009
19:4631854I just wondered what the Hell it matters!!!!!!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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28 October 2009
20:0131858bern, im wandering why you wondred,its a simple question.
28 October 2009
21:4131864And I, Brian, wandered lonely as a cloud that floats on high o'er vale and hill, and all at once I saw a crowd, mostly dressed in pink feathers and spangled garters with addreses in Brighton.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 October 2009
21:5231865seems strange garb for members of the clergy, you will only give rick more ammunition for his crusade.
perhaps crusade is not the right term?
28 October 2009
22:3831871You wouldn't believe what I have seen the clergy get up to Howard. For some, on a Friday night, that garb would seem conservative. I prefer the term pantomime to crusade - more fun, somehow..................
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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28 October 2009
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