Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 October 2009
14:3029719Take a look at what they think will happen in the General Election:
http://page.politicshome.com/uk/electoralindex.htmlGuest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 October 2009
15:1429726We will have to work very hard Barry to achieve that result - not by slagging off the opposition, but by our good policies.
I expect it will be a dirty fight, but I'd prefer a clean campaign based on what we'll do.
Roger
Brian Dixon
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3 October 2009
15:4529727intresting theroy,but not there policys reported in todays papers.camrons 10 key policys have beeb ripped to shreds in todays red top papers [this does not include the sun].acording experts verdicts this country will go from ression to a 20 year depression with consierable higher unemploymeant [probabley 4 million plus].the overall verdict the country would be on its knees with no credabilaty.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 October 2009
17:1129735Brian - you could not be more wrong on every front.
Forget the Mirror, they would claim Brown as the second coming if they thought they could get away with it.
Yes, Roger - hard work to do but it will be worth it. Imagine Prossers face when that result is announced!!!! Labour below 200 seats in Parliament, after debates who knows, below 100 perhaps, I hope so, its what they deserve.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 October 2009
17:2329737Barry is all your house inside and out painted blue.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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3 October 2009
18:2929753Its still all to play for and gwyn i feel has respect of local people and they will return him.
Interesting point roger on dirty tactics didnt see any postings from you distncing your self from the disgusting tory leaflets during the KCC elections
you cant say one thing on here roger then do another
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 October 2009
20:0429762i think that the chance of a cleanly fought general election is remote.
forget standards here, it will be a succession of smears and counter smears that will alienate the public enough to force a low turn out.
i do not think that gwyn will be returned this time, doubt that it will bother him that much, he has done amazingly well to ward off the blues for so long.
the rest of the south east is more or less totally blue and will probably be a little bit bluer the next time.
i think that barry's irrational hatred of the reds is not shared by the general public who are simply looking for a change after 3 consecutive terms of office.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 October 2009
01:2429781Howard my hatred of the reds is not irrational. It is based on observation having seen the disaster they have wreaked on this copuntry every time they have been in Government.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 October 2009
08:0129789Keith
You will find that I did distance myself from those personal attacks and I told the people who made the leaflet, it was wrong.
I doubt if they took any notice though.
I must say though, that I could not believe the lies in the red leaflet that has come out over the last two or so elections.
I even checked to see if it was legal and was told that nothing could be done and people don't believe them any way - but some people do believe them.
No one is whiter than white at election time, which to me means disrespecting the electorate, but then i've been accused of being naive, but I'd rather be naive than nasty.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 October 2009
08:3029793barryw,you seem to have a blinckerd view of life,[a one party line ] try looking at all the facts and figures etc before you get your pants in a twist.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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4 October 2009
18:3329820What is Charlie views on the referendum for Europe only DC doesn't seem to clear lots of if's and maybe's.
The other thing to raise it's head is this Care for life,lets take Mrs JHG and myself at 65 they want us to pay £16,000 (at the moment no doubt that will be £20,000 to pay for care homes if we need them).But only 1 in 5 of us people will actually need care homes,what happens to the money and how many people do they really think will have that money when they retire and if they had that money and pay it think of all that intrest they will lose and not have for thier retirement,I can see Barry giving financial advice don't put your money in stocks and shares put it in your healthcare because you may not need it and you will lose it all,
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Ross Miller
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4 October 2009
20:0129827My view is that politics os too serious to be left to the politicians and irrespective of party they are invariably of generally such poor calibre that they all cock it up one way or another.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 October 2009
21:0829829JHG - The scheme will be voluntary and works just like insurance. People take out life assurance now in the hope that the premiums will be wasted but do so to protect their families from the financial consequences of death. You pay your premiums and at the end of the term get nothing back. No-one these days would be silly enough to get investment based life assurance like endowments.
The long term care proposals are exactly the same principal. It sounds like a very good scheme to me and a lot of people can and will be able to affford it, at least those for whom it is worthwhile.
5 October 2009
06:2629831Buying human health and wellbeing has always seemed a dodgy philosophy to me. Wellbeing based on wealth has to be spurious - this world is increasingly focussed on budgets and wealth and while I know we have to live in the Real World, it feels to me like we are missing the humanity out there. Money is a man made creation used to manipulate the natural environment. There is, for instance, enough food for everyone to have sufficient, and yet people starve.There is enough resource to enable all to have clean fresh water, and yet people die after drinking infected water. There is medicine and prophylaxis to protect and treat all manner of illness and disease, but people still suffer. There is the knowledge and resource to enable people to die painfree and with dignity, and yet we still struggle to enable that to happen and people still die in the most undignified and painful of circumstances which were avoidable. We allow that to happen and we are culpable.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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5 October 2009
07:1229834bern,go girl i like your thinking.ever thought of being prime minister or chancerlor.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 October 2009
07:2429837Bern, Brian - this is just to help people keep their homes when they have to go into care. Thats all, you are off on a tangent there Bern. Some will prefer to not do this and should they need long term care sell thier homes to pay for it like they do now, thats their choice. Just as it is the choice of people whether to take life assurance, critical illness cover or any other insurance.
At the end of the day long term care has to be paid for and this provides another choice for people. Some are thrifty, save, buy a home while others spend, spend, spend, why should the former be expected to lose all they strived for when they end up in a long term care bed next to someone who did the latter and never saved and just lived the 'good life'.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 October 2009
07:3629838Bern, I agree with most of what you say, especially about the resources the world has and that so many are not being given those resources.
Much of the reasons for not getting these plentiful resources is because of corrupt governments; one-party states and dicatorships.
The poorest continent has to be Africa and sadly it will always be the poorest, whilst those corrupt one-party states are in power.
Many relief charities can't get the necessary resource to the people who need it most because of those (types of) governments; even creating wells, schools and food production is at the mercy of them.
So many millions die unnecessarily because of this and the Presidents of these corrupt countries don't care so long as they are getting richer and richer.
They are all so called Communist and Marxist regimes.
There are of course poor countries where serious corruption isn't the cause, sometimes the physical country itself, like Bangladesh and parts of India and Pakistan. Natural disasters also seem to happen more often in the poorest of areas.
Roger
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 October 2009
07:4429840The policy of paying £6-8k and then getting free care home placement helps out the Lord and Lady of the Manor who will willingly pay a 'measly' few bob in order to protect their 'pile' and be able to pass it on to little Rupert and avoid meeting the real cost of their care.
People have houses and in the event of a 'rainy day' that they can liquidate it and release funds to pay for their care.Well there is no bigger rainy day than needing 24 hour care so whats wrong with having to flog your house to meet the cost.We live in the real world.Those without houses or the means to pay for their care would then be able to obtain care from govt funds.
But again the Tories have discriminated against the less off.How is a long term council house tenant going to be able to pay the one off 'club' entry fee of £8k ?
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 October 2009
08:3329843Marek you are talking complete class war tosh.
I deal with people in my professional capacity who are facing the situation of their parents needing long term care. I have seen the problems they have, not rich people but ordinary people. The 'Lord and Lady of the Manor' will not benefit from this, care home costs or care in their own home is not a problem for the rich but it is a problem for people who own their home in Maxton and Elms Vale, Whitifeld, the Gateway and so on.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 October 2009
08:5629846BarryW
My point exactly. Lord n Lady Muck can quite easily afford the £8k entry fee so no problem but how will an oap from a Buckland estate council house afford be able to pay for their care. If the well off paid the full price it could help subsidise those less well placed, This is just another backdoor price cut for the rich who will then qualify for lifelong care on the cheap without putting a dent in their millions.
Leading economists doubt that there will be enough people to join to make it workable.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)