howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 November 2009
18:4133113#1
i was listening today to the former boss of the metropolitan police today berating the use of the above.
it did not seem to cross his mind that because of the inability of people in his position, people were feeling the need to pay twice for policing.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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14 November 2009
18:4633115#2
I think that is a danger in some areas Howard.
Roger
Ross Miller
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14 November 2009
18:5433117#3
But Howard this is an issue, these people are not police, have little or no powers beyond those the man in the street has, but often behave like they do, sometimes to such an extent that they exacerbate the original problems.
Of course there are issues with the police and the wider criminal justice system; not least the way government is pushing them to be judge and jury for low level offences and also the way some in the police believe they are outside of the constraints of law. This is significantly exacerbated by financial constraints, manpower constraints and the volume of nonsense paperwork the government have placed upon the police
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 November 2009
19:0233118#4
ross
they do not have police powers as you say, but they are a deterrent to unwanted low lives.
people would not pay out for them otherwise.
present day policing seems to be governed by compiling figures, a lot of people only report low level crime today if they need a crime number for their insurance company.
so much now goes unreported because the expectation is that it will not be investigated.
great for the chief constable, who then spends a fortune on advertising telling people how lucky they are to have such a great police force.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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15 November 2009
09:1933132#5
I will comment purely on these private security staff, you will see from past experience residents have taken up these people only to find they made the problems worse, as they had little or no training, didnt know how to manag people/situations.
And were withdrawn very soon after they were introduced
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2009
11:0333146#6
that just proves how desperate some people must feel then, that they feel they must employ the unqualified to protect them.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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15 November 2009
13:2733154#7
Charles Bronson has a lot to answer for.
Howard is right, people feel they and their property are not protected enough and as we read in the papers and see on TV all to regularly, in many cases they are right to feel this way.
Roger
DT1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2009
13:3433157#8
What has Charles Bronson got a lot to answer for?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2009
13:4333158#9
quite a lot dt, i saw him bumping off a lot of criminals in the screen, his mate michael winner put him up to it though.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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15 November 2009
14:4433162#10
And when the film was first shown on the screens of New York, the audience was shouting and cheering everytime he shot a mugger. Is this telling you something?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
15 November 2009
17:2433165#11
I would pay for a patrol in our area - it might get the scumbag drug dealers off our roads. The drug dealer nabbed recently spent all of 30 seconds in clink before coming back to her (benefits paid) flat and pick up where she left off.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2009
17:5433179#12
according to last weeks panorama programme, criminals walk free for a lot less than drug pushing.
one chap carved up a strangers face and got cautioned, another one gave his girl friend such a bashing that she is embarrassed about going out, he now brags about it on facebook after walking free from the police station.
15 November 2009
18:5133192#13
The word Outrageous doesn't do it justice, does it?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 November 2009
22:5233198#14
I would just like to had to this When I was on the River Parish council I did try to get them to come round to my way of thinking that A security company would do a better job of patroling River than a P.S.O. I am still thinking the same today.First they would be going round in twos and not one and most of them are about 6ft and fit and would patrol day and night and at weekends and patrol the whole of River not just part of it,At this time we have a very good P.S.O. doing his best but very your about 5ft06ins tall and about 10stone he does not have time to go all around River.
And I think the cost of having a security company is less the the P.S.O. but they did not agree with me.
DT1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2009
22:5533199#15
What about Charles Bronson?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 November 2009
22:5933202#16
Dti Yes but he is dead now or i think he is,if not does he know where River is./?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2009
23:0133203#17
not a good idea, the tash would send the wrong signals to the miscreants.
i think that batman would be more effective, just that he has alternative duties in gotham city.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 November 2009
23:1533204#18
Howard .We have in River Batwoman "sue"
Alec Sheldon
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16 November 2009
00:3233205#19
DTI,
Charles Bronson was in a series of films called "Death Wish". His wife was murdered and his daughter savagely raped. The police didn't do anything so he took the law into his own hands and went after the culprits and knocked them off one by one.
There is a new film out this week called "Harry Brown" starring Michael Caine. It is in a similar vein and set in the "Elephant and Castle" area of London.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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16 November 2009
01:0933208#20
I heard on the radio the other day that the UK has the highest percentage of the population locked up than almost any other country in the world (with 25% being ex-servicemen apparently). It's no wonder, then, that so many petty criminals are let off with, at best, a Police Caution. What does this say about our society?
Private security patrols cannot possibly be the answer, not least because of their lack of policing powers. I already pay my taxes towards policing this town and there is no way on earth I would pay some heavyweight, jumped-up thugs to do the job that the Police should be doing. Where will it stop if allowed to continue? A legalised protection racket?
Phil West
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