Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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DDC Press Release *****
REDUCTION IN CRIME IN DOVER DISTRICT
National crime statistics released yesterday show that over the year, recorded crime has fallen by 9% over England and Wales, and by 10% across Kent, and (based on British Crime Survey comparators) recorded crime for Dover District has fallen by 13%.
The statistics for Dover District, comparing 06/07 and 07/08, also show that burglaries dropped by 13%, violence against the person dropped by 14%, theft of motor vehicles dropped by 11%, and theft from motor vehicles dropped by 32%. The statistics are being welcomed by the Dover District Community Safety Partnership.
Nadeem Aziz, Chairman of the Dover District Community Safety Partnership and Chief Executive of Dover District Council said: "These results are excellent, they represent a significant reduction in the number of victims of crime and are a real credit to the success of partnership working across the area. This is great news, and as a range of agencies continue to work for a world-class future for Dover District, this brings home the important message that the district remains a safe place to live, work and visit."
For more information on national statistics or to read the full report, please see the Home Office website at
www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/news/crime-stats-2008
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thanks Paul..at last some good news.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#3
When we were at that Neighbourhood Forum meeting some months ago the accumulated crimefighters were very positive about the crime situation in Dover. Some local people however didnt feel quite as positive as the crimefighters themselves.These figures though prove that the optimismic message from the police, and others in the war on crime, was well founded.
When you hear of the carnage elsewhere in the country, particularly knife crime in London, its a very welcome relief to hear that we are doing so well here in Dover. Let's hope it remains so.
Sometimes the fear of crime is more of a burden than crime itself.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I also think that the media have a tendency to blow things out of all proportion therefore leaving the old,the very young and the vunerable in fear of town centres, parks and public areas.When 99% of the time they would be quite safe going about their daily business.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#5
crime, in the real sense of the word, is very rare here.
anti social behaviour is the problem, just like everywhere else.
if allowed to continue unabated, then the miscreants will develop into real criminals.
people who live in the market square and london road area continually tell me about the problems late at night
most nights of the week.
the venues are always the same, the complainants say that the police are rarely on hand to deal with it.
#6
DO PEOPLE STILL BELEIVE NATIONAL STATISTICS? I certainly beleive nothing this government tell me.
#7
The stats are sound, it's the way they are used that's flexible. Collecting information is biased by the questions asked and the people asked, as well as the data included and left out, as well as the definition of "crime", for instance. Are unsolved but reported crimes included? Reported and charged but not convicted? Or just crimes resulting in conviction? Petty crimes as well as major crimes? Define a "crime".........and what about those "crimes" that are broken with a moral stand....the poll tax riots (those were the days....!!!). Are crimes resulting in conviction but overturned on appeal included.....the lists are endless and all impact on the results.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The stats are worthless, even a Labour MP recently said that they way they are collated makes them worse than useless. Then you have to add the way people dont report crimes because it is a waste of time to do so.
Those poll tax rioters, Bern, were criminals and it is wrong to excuse their wrongdoing by dressing it up as a 'moral stand'.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#9
the way that crime figures are collated nowadays have been changed.
in the past, where one incident involved for arguments sake, 3 offences, 3 offences were registered.
now only the incident is registered.
all clever stuff, without involving smoke or mirrors.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#10
Many incidents go unreported - to both the Police and the CSU as people feel nothing real gets done.
In many instances the Police don't turn up until the next day or never and many difficult anti-social behaviour people are so bad, nothing happens to them - listern to Terry's stories of problems he has had to put up with over a number of years and nothing is done to the (known) offenders, by either the Police or the CSU.
It's not that crime is going down, it's that REPORTED crime is going down, so it still looks good for the Government and Police figures.
Roger
Terry Nunn
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#11
And also Roger, as I told you, it's when you report a crime in person at the nick and then find out a few days later that the details were never entered on to the system.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Exactly Terry - so it confirms really that it is only REPORTED crime that is going down.
Roger
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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But we all have to do more to change the system then, not just sit back and accept things aint right.
It can be frustrating, but you only get change if you are willing to stand up and be counted.
it will be uphill, but never give in
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Well I think that the people invoved in Community Safety really believe that crime is going down and its not a deliberate attempt at hoodwinking. I think this is fairly well accepted across the board. A number of the initiatives have been very penetrating and have worked well. As far as I am aware the way of calculating the figures has not changed in the last year, so therefore the figures still show a considerable and genuine reduction.
Its true, say 20 years ago or so, the figures were calculated differently, but thats not relevent to this years figures compared to last years.They remain valid and show a substantial reduction.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Stats, PaulB, are continiously being massaged with a view to show the result in the most favourable light. It is in the interests of the Police to display certain stats to meet Government targets.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I agree Keith that every incident should be reported, but people do get fed up with non-attendance by the Police or the CSU (whoever it is determined should be responsible for the incident).
I would tell anyone to report a crime or incident no matter how petty it is deemed to be.
The figures available reflect how many incidents have been reported, it can only be that, otherwise they would be made up and people are not reporting crimes/asb as they ought to, because they feel it is pointless.
Roger