Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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No photos from me as I have just gone on leave for the next two weeks. Hopefully DHB will manage to find more reasons not to allow this tiny vessel to use a full size ferry berth. The ferries themselves frequently have to have minor adaptions to enable them to fit specific berths so it cannot be easy to adapt a miniscule flat bottomed river boat to fit.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#356
Trouble indeed there Paul, flying an invalid signal. Vessel in dis-dress?
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Enjoy your leave Ed.
Ah..as the relevant up to the minute pix have just gone over the page and as they are highly controversial will slip them in again here..
The Joline leaving a few minutes ago..
and here we are again...
Following the Berlioz out..
As Ed says there...The vessel looks unsuitable in the extreme for live animal exporting. A bit more on post 360.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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Those photos say it all, Paul. What on earth is wrong with our system whereby this trade is deemed legal?
Jan Higgins
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It looks like one really large wave would swamp it, also shows how large the ferries are now-a-days.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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beggars belief that a "landing craft" like that could transport livestock across the channel in bad weather.
Brian Dixon
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the trouble is,they are useing it as a means to get the sheep across.but if the big ferry companys aload the truks to use the big ferries,ie,over night they wouldnt have to use that landing craft.
just to add that p&o and my ferry link have frieght ships with open decks,so there would be no need to put them on passenger ferries.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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That is certainly true Brian, complaining about the suitability of the 'landing craft' may only lead to larger ships being employed for the same terrible trade.
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Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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The big ferry companies have all refused, without exception, to carry this revolting trade. It is nothing to do with using freight ships to enable them to conduct this evil business away from the view of horrified passengers. P&O have the European Seaway, now laid up in Tilbury, and SeaFrance now MyFerryLink have the Nord Pas de Calais but do not carry live exports on them. They do not want these cargoes of unfortunate animals and they quite simply refuse to carry them.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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surly its a better allternative than what they are using now ed.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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Yes, of course it would be a better alternative. However, it would require the ferry companies to reverse their ruling that they will not allow this repugnant trade on their ferries. This is not going to happen so it is a non-existent alternative and therefore not an alternative at all. That is why the landing craft is here.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i still don't understand why ports cannot have the option of turning this trade away.
if you run a pub and one of the customers gets done for child molesting the landlord would have every right to refuse to serve that customer because of the trouble that would inevitably flare up.
in this case the whole town is adversely affected.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I did try to track down the 'judgement' that insists that ports must allow this traffic, but without success.
Perhaps it is just part of the EU's Free Trade agreements, not the bits that get regularly panned nor the bit that sets a limit on the tobacco and booze that can be brought in either...one of the (conveniently) 'good' bits, obviously.
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Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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It is because live animal exports is a legal trade. If child molesting were to be made legal then the ports would also have to accept coaches of child molesters. As it is, they have to accept trucks operated by animal molesters.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ed,just to add to #367,frieght ferrys dont carry passengers,and i would asume it would be a night sailing when its mostly frieght movements.
but as you say its the ferry firms say so,wether they take these shipments.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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But they will not carry live exports on freight ferries because they have a blanket ban on carrying live exports on any of their ferries at all as they are concerned about animal welfare. The ban is not just because they are trying to hide this evil trade from their passengers. If it comes to that, their freight ferries carry the lorry drivers for the trucks onboard and obviously have a full crew onboard, the great majority of whom would be equally repelled by having to carry these sadly abused creatures.
Can we ship livestock on your vessels?
Yes, we can ship livestock on our Dover-Calais and Irish Sea routes, however animal welfare is an issue that concerns us. Hence on our Dover-Calais route we are only prepared to ship breeding livestock and only if booked via the relevant national associations. These livestock must be transported according to DEFRA requirements and accompanied by the correct DEFRA documentation, clearly showing the animals are being shipped for breeding purposes. A surcharge is applied to livestock movements and they will only be shipped on the European Seaway. Please contact the relevant national association for pricing details.
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Chris has an update to the Joline situation on the new frontpage. It was issued yesterday evening.
Basically they came, they saw, but yet further adjustment needed in order to begin the trade. They did make adjustments after their previous visit but all not satisfactory ( if that's the right word) as of yet.
An interesting EXTRA bit came with the press release. Very often with these things there is extra information for editors that is not generally used nakedly..but will do so this time as the question has come up several times now..
here we are...
From DHB : Note to Editors...
Dover Harbour Board is duty bound to facilitate this legal trade, something that the High Court has made clear to ports, and DHB in particular. Any change to the legality of this trade is something only the politicians can address by changing the law.
Keith Sansum1
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Down to our charli then
He moans about it
yet he could stop it by changing the law
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,he is all mouth no trousers.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Well no good shouting get the law changed its his govt
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