Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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9 December 2008
09:3810627Question: Did not Railtrack outsource some services not so long ago?
If so, what was the reaction of the local Labour Party to that? I dont remember a strike.... Double standards perhaps.
Brian Dixon
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9 December 2008
10:2110634barry are you talking tory double standards or labour double standards here,or being two faced by saying one thing and meaning another.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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9 December 2008
11:0410637Merely asking a question. I make no bones about the fact that I fully support 'outsourcing' where there is a good business case. I am of course questioning whether double standards are being employed by the Labour Party and our MP in particular.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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9 December 2008
11:3810639or the dover harbour board bob g in paticular.
9 December 2008
19:2010663It all depends on your priorities: when the NHS started outsourcing years ago, with the cleaners and hygiene workers, it all went tits up. When I was young (ahem) the domestics were part of the ward team, which was managed by the sister, who was, with other sisters, managed by the matron. There was a team committment, direct and instant accountability, and pride in a job well done. When they were outsourced it all went - no real committment, no team spirit, no proper accountability. It may well have been cheaper, but it was not cost effective, and i believe it was the beginning of the downhill run into MRSA etc..
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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9 December 2008
20:3210682keith
you are right about the lack of enthusiasm from the blue councillors, but out of date with the prospective parliamentary candidate.
our chas has thrown his weight behind the workforce according the local media last thursday.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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9 December 2008
20:5810688Howard that is right,Charlie was on the march,so was Gwyn where it was different was a dozen Labour Cllrs were supporting thier man and because we believe the port workers were right.Where was the Tory support?
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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9 December 2008
21:4510690that was my point john.!!
good to see that charlie is his own man in certain matters.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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9 December 2008
22:1010692howard
in part you are right, but i do suspect charlie boy was there becaUSE gwyn was.
politics im afraid.
I know that Gwyn has supported many disputes like these including railway ones(baz)
dont know of charlies background on these issues
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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9 December 2008
23:2510701keith
i know very little about chas, i have seen him around, nice suit but "no tie"!!
his statement in the press struck a chord with me, he broke ranks there and spoke his own mind.
i fully agree with you on gwyn, he always comes to the fore on issues involving shipping and ancillary matters.
it helps that he was an engineer on sealink for so many years, giving him a solid knowledge of the background.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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9 December 2008
23:5110704maybe someone came come on here so we can get charlies background in such disputes over the years
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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11 December 2008
00:5110782So who to admire most, the one that speaks for himself or the one one that talks big with his 'gang' standing behind him? Just a question.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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11 December 2008
05:4110792Chris
It depends upon one's motives but I suspect we should admire both groups.The individual who stands alone and against party policy and the group that follows its heart and stands united.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)