Guest 706- Registered: 25 Oct 2010
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25 October 2010
22:4276651It had a short life as Pizza and Pasta restaurant but I notice two new planning applications beside it today.
One for an alcohol license and the other for a hostel above it.
I don't know what the definition of hostel is these days though.
It would be good to see this old building used once more.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 October 2010
23:5976653That's if they have sorted out the problem that haunted the previous holder, from London, who closed soon after opening.
Ross Miller
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26 October 2010
00:2476657The problems were they opened without the right planning permissions etc. and then asked for them retrospectively and they were denied
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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26 October 2010
08:0276666I read that a while ago: 9 one-bedroom flats. I don't think it's a bail-hostel, but it didn't say.
As I am on the Planning Committee, I won't say anything about it, but if anyone has any comments to make (for or against), contact the Planning Department at DDC - in writing.
Roger
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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26 October 2010
13:5776717Ah My old home when My first wife Told me to go That is where I went had a great time living there with Harry and Pam.
Keith Sansum1
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26 October 2010
17:4676743Yes Harry and pam what a fantastic couple
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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26 October 2010
22:0676797I lived right at the very top along way to the bathroom, Yes Keith they were very good ,but they did fall out with each other at times,and when they did you did not want to be in beween them.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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26 October 2010
22:1276801vic
when did harry and pam leave the alma?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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26 October 2010
22:1976802They moved into the gateway many years ago Harry died there and then Pam went back to London she is also gone now.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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26 October 2010
22:4376803In the late 1800s, the Alma was run by the Paramor family, William (Maria's husband) had formerly lived at Barville, Tilmanstone.
If anyone is interested, here is some information about the family:
Maria PARAMOR head wid. 77 Lic. Vict. b. Nonington
Wm PALMER son in law 52 Barman, Inn.Serv. b.Hougham in Dov
Mary A. " dau marr. 50 Asst.in Business b.Tilmanstone
James HATTON son in law m. 50 shipowner NS on shore b.Ewell
Harriet " dau. Marr . 41 b.Tilmanstone
Wm.R.B.PARAMOR gr-son Unm. 17 Engineer & Fitter Appren.b.Hougham
A.E.PARAMOR grand-dau Un. 16 Dom.Svt. b.St.Mary Dover
Adolph GAILLARD vis. M. 70 Proff of French b.France
Grasscoit BUREAU vis. m. 69 ditto ditto
(Hougham in DOVER parish, 19 Folkestone Rd, 1881 Census)
Information gathered by researchers, on family tree of Wm PARAMOR (c.1794 Eastry) and his wife Maria (nee CARLTON) - (born c.1805 Newington):
William PARAMOR chr 1794 Eastry, died 1860 Dover, was farm bailiff at Barville, Tilmanstone (bailiff to Mr.BOYS), later at Hougham, where he secured the post of bailiff to Henry ELVES, and later a publican in Dover. (William had two brothers,Richard and John,and two sisters who did not marry - Elizabeth d.1867 and Mary d.1864)
William married Maria CARLTON. Between 1843 and 1851 the family moved to Farthing Loe, Hougham near Dover. By 1851 his son Joseph was a mariner ("sailor" entered by enumerator but later scored out and mariner substituted, no doubt to placate the indignant Paramors who were very particular about not being called "sailors". William's sons Richd and Bradley were ag.labs and Mary was a servant. The other children were all at school.
ALMA: About 1859, William took the "Alma" public house on Folkestone Rd. Dover, he died on 19 Jan.1860. Maria took over the pub and ran it more or less for the rest of her life. By 1861 Bradley Frederick and Henry had joined their older brother Joseph as mariners on the Dutch service. Walter was a paperhanger, Frances a dressmaker. Mary Ann and her husband William PALMER were also living on the premises. The family income was augmented by the rents from 8 lodgers.
By 1871 Maria was being helped to run the pub by her two married daughters Mary Ann and Harriet (who had married shipowner Robert HATTON). Of the sons, only Walter was recorded as being present on census night and had now progressed to becoming a cabinet maker. Walter subsequently opened his own furniture and upholstery business at 11 Biggin Street, he died aged 80 in 1921 (one of his grandsons was 'Norrie' PARAMOR the band leader).
Two of William's sisters, Mary and Elizabeth, neither of whom married, also lived in Dover, keeping a lodging house at 4 St Martins St. They died in 1865 and 1867 respectively. Each shared her estate out between their brothers or their brothers' children. Touchingly, Mary left "my gold watch and key" to her neice Mary Ann PALMER.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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27 October 2010
00:3276809I wonder if this new hotel will create local employment? A lot of local employment by way of opening new businesses in Dover has been advocated lately on the Forum. If the place opens and creates local employment, for example a family run business, it would be interesting.
Apart from that (and its evident satire), the area is right near the town-centre and Western Heights, which makes it attractive as a hotel, but even as a B/B.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
06:1576816As far as I can tell, it's not going to be an Hotel Alexander, but a hostel, not sure what sort of Hostel though.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
12:0876831i have a sinking feeling that it will be a bail hostel.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
12:3176837It is very sad to see it like it is today,it was a great Pub and agreat name now gone.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
13:1676849A bail hostel above licenced premises does not strike me as a very sensible idea, I can imagine some serious problems.
I would hope that the planning department would not allow that to happen.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
13:2376851Mrs Higgins I am in full agreement with what you are saying but knowing the DDC PLANNING oFFICE they will push ahead with anything they want there and take no notice of what the public are saying.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
13:3376853"The property has been in use a café, with staff accommodation above. The café business has not proved to be a success. The lack of business for the café has not necessitated the requirement for extensive staff accommodation in the building that was first predicted by the applicant. It is therefore necessary to find a commercially viable use for the building, and our client proposes a change of use of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd floors of the building to a sui-generis class as a hostel. The purpose of the hostel will be to provide budget accommodation for travellers. The accommodation will be short term and charged on a nightly basis.
Short term accommodation will be available for up to twenty persons.
The building does not have provision for on-site parking, but due to the proximity to the dock and to the train station it is anticipated that the majority of clients will not be arriving by car. On street parking is available on the nearby Military Road.
The existing café will remain on the ground floor."
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
13:4976856this then begs the question, why do they call it a hostel and not a bed and breakfast.
the majority of clients will not arrive by car, possibly because they will arrive in a group 4 security van.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
13:5576857Probably because in most countries other than the UK, a Hostel is seen as just a low budget bed for the night ?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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27 October 2010
14:3576862The big problem here is the present owners don't have permssion to open as a cafe?
The accomnodation sounds a bit suspicious, and parking is an issue
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