Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,696
Barry - both parties have their fair share of people who will not stand at the next election either through choice or by the decision of their leader or local party. This situation will get worse before it gets better for all parties and we are going to see an awful lot of new faces at the next election.
Very few MPs have come out of this expenses fiasco looking good, not even your precious DC (he may have acted within the rules, but frankly his behaviour sucks as does Darling's and Balls & Cooper for that matter).
Yes the "meltdown" of the cabinet is a disaster for the government, and bodes ill for however long they try to limp on, particularly given the lack of any form of agenda for the country. Frankly the current spate of yah boo non policy statements form your mod Barry are no more help.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Policy cannot get a look in Ross in this climate, no-one is really interested in real policy and it would be pointless to try to change the media narrative (particularly when it is so anti Government). When the election is called that will change and policies will have to be revealed and discussed.
DC has never claimed the maximum, nothing for food, nothing for furniture and the only bit of gardening he claimed for was arguably property maintenance because of the damage wisteria does to bricks - he repaid that anyway in case of doubt. Apart from that he has only claimed for mortgage interest and only with a contrived argument can anyone find something to critisise him over that. His wealth is not an argument in this in any shape or form. After all I am sure you claim the same allowances as any colleague whether they have more or less savings and investments than you!!!!
Yes I have referred to the Conservative clear out myself but what is happening in the Government is of a diffferent scale and after too much shilly shallying.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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barryw
wrong mate, its across the board, all parties DC included
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
- Posts: 573
I agree Keith, MPs from all parties have had there fingers in the till and whether they paid it back or not the fact is they were caught and should be punished.
Cameron certainly hasn't come out of this squeaky clean and if he's honourable should look at his own position, simply paying back is in itself an admission of guilt but then maybe we haven't heard the last of it.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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As I'v said we wouldn't get away with it, we would have been locked up by now.
Those that clearly broke the law(rules) should be taken to court, and not paid a penny from our coffers from today !!!!
Those that didn't break the rules but were clearly found to be bending them, in the interests of politics and democracy they should be slung out on there ear, no pay offs
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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For Cameron paying it back was no admission of guilt, it was leadership, setting an example. If it was property maintenance instead of gardening then it would be quite reasonable. He decided some might argue which it was and to save idiotic arguments over it to pay it back.
I have never suggested that this is confined to one Party, far from it I have attacked Tory scroungers and much as other parties. DC did, however, show leadership where Brown hesitated. Even now Cameron's criteria are stricter for examining Tory expense claims than browns are for labour (he keeps on about the rules while DC has set a tighter test than mere rules).
I agree Keith that those who have broken the law and rules deserve to be prosecuted and the worse offenders who are within the rules dismissed from parliament. That is happening though on both sides.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Barryw
Cameron has not come out of this any better than any other politician.
It's the distrust of ALL yes, ALL politicians, and because Labour is in Government they will get hit the worst, but the bigger fallout is the total distrust of ALL politicians
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Sadly Keith yes all parties are affected and our politics are damaged. To start repairing the damage we need the general election.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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A general election is not what's needed, its all parties joining together to work out a serious plan to sort out this mess.
playing politics is not what we want at this time
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
totally agree with keith on this one, people are not thinking party politics anymore.
let us look at the results on sunday and see what the people are actually saying.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
- Posts: 3,391
HOWARD;
I go one step further, sod waiting for the election results, the 3 main parties and any others should be meeting to set up a plan to rid us of the present system and agree a new set of plans.
This is far wider than party politics, this is about corruption, law breaking, and even bending of rules.
It needs drastic action, and soon.
everyone pulling together agree ing a new plan
