Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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No, Brian and Sid, your daft coments this time are definitely out of place!
Howard, it is so as i have written, it is official catholic doctrine!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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would any of our left handed forum members be able to confirm this?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Forum members, please follow up Howard's wise invitation to look into this!
Howard, I will explain a little more, as you are definitely interested in informing yourself as to little-known official catholic doctrines, that many people who have been to catholic schools probably do not know themselves. As these very old doctrines going back many, many centuries (and yet all later than the first Christian Church teachings) they are not usually explained in schools, probably because many who know also realise that people would not believe them and that parents would start opening their eyes and contesting what is being taught to their children.
Yes, it would be wise for us to call for a State investigation as to what the catholic doctrines teach in British schools - those which are catholic - and which many teachers in these schools probably do not even realise, as it was not explained to them! Well, the pope claims to be THE successor of Saint Peter, and the two keys which are the emblem of the Vatican flag officially represent the Keys that Jesus verbally and spiritually gave to Peter as explained in the Gospel, on the grounds that the pope holds these Keys, being 'the successor' of Saint Peter!
This means, Howard, that according to official catholic doctrine, the Pope holds the Keys to eternal Life as 'THE leader of the Church on Earth'.
His other official titles are: THE vicar of Christ on Earth and THE holy father and also: maximus pontifex, meaning 'the high priest'.
He also claimjs to be the highest person on Earth able to give the Holy Spirit, to forgive sins and to bless in a divine way.
Yes, Howard, please do look into this and help make a case nationwide into what young children are being taught in British catholic schools!
The pope - following the official Vatican doctrine - does not recognise any church as legal orther than the catholic church, officially considering all other churches as apostate and heretic!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The keys used as a symbol of the pope's authority refer to the "keys of the kingdom of Heaven" promised to Peter.[Matt. 16:18-19] The terminology of this "commission" of Peter is unmistakably parallel to the commissioning of Eliakim ben Hilkiah in Isaiah 22:15-23. Peter is often depicted in both Western and Eastern Christian art holding a key or a set of keys.There are no physical keys.
As for eternal life this can never be achieved on earth but refers to 'eternal life' in 'heaven'.
Catholics do believe in confession as a way of cleansing ones soul of 'sins' and wrongdoings and that Priests as God representative on earth have the power of absolution.
All religions are under the same impression that their church is the 'right' or chosen one not just RC but Jews who are still awaiting the Messiahs arrival,Islam and Mohammed ,Latter Day Saints,Buddists and even that raving nutter David Icke.You pays your money and take your chances.
Jesus also said to Peter "Go feed my sheep" but Jesus had no sheep.He meant his followers. All such sayings are left to one's own interpretation of their meaning.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought it was more of a symbolic thing than anything physical.
a bit like our church of england friends at communion, eating the body of christ and drinking his blood.
in reality a crispbread and a thimble of ribena.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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Sorry, wrong post.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Oh God..................................
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Well there you go! See, Howard, Marek confirmed what I wrote about the keys symbolised on the Vatican flag! Also, you made a good point about the 'holy communion bread', Howard. it is nothing but a piece of bread, with no spiritual powers!
Yes, Bern! I suppose one would get a shock on realising these truths!
Although I would state that, rather than use the opposing terms: symbolic-physical, it might be better to use the opposing terms symbolic-spiritual.
There is nothing spiritual in the pope's supposed keys, because he doesn't have the spiritual powers that he claims!
The spiritual powers ONLY come from High, from the Divine, and this is why also a Lady in High can be British, for the British, and another can be french, for the French (Notre Dame), and so on...
It makes sense, because God the Father and Jesus are not foreign to any human being, so in High there are at least as many languages spoken as there are on Earth, and Angels also communicate uin different languages, and in general the Divine beings communicate to people in their own language.
This is why the Reform movements in the Middle Ages and Modern Times insisted that the Vatican ban on translating the Bible be challenged, and that people be able to read the Bible (or have it read to them) in their own language.
Still, I suppose some day the pope's authority will be again challenged, and I personally took it on me to do so, so that his claims do not go unchallenged!
If our schools will actually amend evidently wrong doctrines that are being taught, is a different question. The point has been raised, and this is what I wanted to achieve!
I think all faith schools should be abolished and state education should not include religious teaching. No form of religious wear to be allowed in schools. So, no crucifixes, St Christophers, Chodors, skullcaps etc. Everyone equal.
Let's face it, the local church/mosque/meeting house/synagogue should be more than capable of indoctrinating those who choose to walk in the door, so why drag that into the school curriculum?.
Brian Dixon
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alex,dont forget marek is a polish catholic,you know the ones who take all our jobs.
Sid - we are all equal, we don't need to strip ourselves to establish that. The word indoctrination is bandied about like it's a bad thing, but that is exactly what education is most of the time. It's what exams are about, what learning the rules of a new workplace is about, learning the rules of the legal system eg what is a crime and what isn't. Indoctrination oils the wheels. The word isn't a bad one - the bad thing happens when people with their own agenda hijack faith for their ow purpose. Faith isn't bad, those who abuse it are.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i am totally with sid on this issue, i like the french style of secularism.
once kids get sent to faith schools they are fed info that suggests they may be better than others because of their religion.
Bern, religion is based on ideology not hard facts. Preaching an ideology is indoctrination.
