howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A bit late but I took these last week during half term.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Two more, where do we move it to for safe keeping.
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
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Crich would lovingly look after it if it went there!
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Had to Google that Terry as I had never heard of the place, I would imagine the transport costs would be very high. The shelter is listed as we know but with all the cuts going on it could be ages before any repairs are done by DDC and even then how long before vandals strike again?
I will suggest Crich to Property Services and see what they have to say.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,826
I also had to Google it so for others who might like to know this is the web site.
http://www.tramway.co.uk/-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Had a prompt E mail back from DDC and although it is moveable it has to stay where it is due to being listed. There have been many other suggestions of more suitable locations.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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How many times has this been up over the years if they were going to move it ,it would have been done by now.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Crass response from DDC Howard. Being listed just means you need listed building consent to move it. Anyone remember the PoW pier?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Don't ask me why but I didn't think of that Peter, I always associate listed properties as those that are permanent and can't be physically moved. The pier furniture and tram shelter don't come under that of course.
My understanding of "listing" is to stop people sticking satellite dishes and the like in the wrong place and ensuring that when repairs or renovations are required they are in keeping with the original. The people up in Derbyshire seem ideally qualified in ensuring the shelter has a future.
I would urge anyone who can to have a look at the condition of it for themselves, it is not just vandalism but general neglect that demands a proper job done. Maybe DDC put it in the "too difficult" tray?
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,236
More the couldn't care less tray,
The in keeping bit isn't quite true some planning committee's demand it others demand contrasting style so you can see it, up to each individual committee sadly.
Arte et Marte
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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It ought to be in the Transport Museum. Then we need to move the Transport Museum somewhere sensible like the Western Docks CT1. Or the Leisure Centre site when/if it goes elsewhere.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Myself and at least two other forum members put the feelers out to the Transport Museum about 3 years ago when the vandalism was at its height but got no response, maybe they had enough on their plate already?
My thoughts were that DDC paid for the movement to the museum but after that it would cost them nothing.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Room out at the E,K,R,T.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Someone else demanding relocation, unaware of the DDC view on listed properties.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/activist-seeks-museum-refuge-for-92420/Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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If the DDC view on listed properties was as you imply, Howard, the PoW pier would still be open.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Two different issues Peter the full might of thd DHB/DDC spin machines were at work with the Pier so no contest.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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When I was a school we would sit in there and talk and it never got treated in the way it is today.We would not dream of doing anything like that.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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I think Keith is living in a fantasy world "teach children how much it costs to replace a pane of glass and they stop breaking it",
Arte et Marte
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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River had a nice bus shelter ,seats and toilets. Until the vandals attacked it.We lost it many years ago .We now have a grassed area and I paid for lots of daffodils to be planted there.Mind you with all the parked cars in that area you cannot always see them.
Times change when I was young I would not dare cause damage to others property or it would be a slap and off to bed.
