Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 January 2009
06:1114303Sid - so why are we faring worse than any other major industrialised nation in this global recession? there is only one answer, Browns idiotic economic policies. If he had been a good steward of our economy over 11/12 years we would not be doing as badly as we are.
You (and he) are not fooling anyone.
Brian Dixon
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30 January 2009
10:1314320at least we are not having riots in our city streets yet unlike paris,so gb must be doing somthing right.on the other hand us brits are to lazy to get of our arses and do somthing about it.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 January 2009
11:3014330The French are always revolting Brian
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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30 January 2009
12:2714336revolting or not at least they are of there backsides doing somthing.at lest i expected that comment from you.
Sid Pollitt
30 January 2009
13:3714343It's not up to me to fool anyone, I was just pointing out that US banks dont come under the remit or responsibilty of the UK government or PM. Maybe you dont understand economics BarryW, if you did maybe you wouldnt be repeating the same lines over and over again. Lines that I hear on the radio and TV by others with the same axe to grind. I was also trying to say that an economic cycle and measures taken should be viewed at the end rather than at the start, if you understood financial issues you'd see that but you only seem to want to serve your own political gains. If the UK is finished as you suggest why dont you take up rocket science and relocate abroad?
What happens if you get your SO desperate wish and the Tories win the next general election, dont tell us as we already know, suddenly the super Tory government will put things right and any blackhole or deficit that you've been scaremongering about will miraculously disappear. As I've said before what your lot would do if they were to win would be to cut international aid, butcher local government and scrap New Deal/ Minimum Wage/ Sure Start etc. Not to save money but for nasty dogma reasons.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 January 2009
18:4614352Sid - If anyone does not understand economics it is you. My profession requires an understanding and I am actively involved in advising clients on how to best their investments can cope with the current economy, they pay me to do so. So please do not try to tell me about something that you clearlyhave no more than a superfiscal understand of.
I will spell this out once again using small words that perhaps you might understand.
Gordon Brown has had responsibility for the UK economy for 11/12 years now.
He is responsible fully for ability of the UK economy (not the American) to respond to the world economic conditions.
The IMF (plus EU and OECD) have all said that the UK economy is the worse placed of all developed economies to weather the recession and will be hit worse than the others. Gordon Brown is responsible for the relative state of the UK economy, no-one else. He claims the opposite to every major independent economic institution.
I have tried to use small words for you and I know you might find it difficult to understand but perhaps your boss, Gordon, might even be shortly to admit it himself through gritted teeth no doubt. I could list the many mistakes he has made to lead us to this situation but it might confuse you.
On the Daily Politics show Geoffrey Robinson (mate of Gordon Brown, possibly the closest to him of anyone) admitted that 'not every Labour policy had been perfect on bank regulation etc'. Wow....at least its a start!
He then came under some pressure and was asked when would Gordon Brown admit that the actions of the Labour government at least contributed to the economic mess the country finds itself in.
Robinson then said this: "You're not going to get the Prime Minister to concede anything in the yah boo politics of Prime Minister's Question Time. There will be a considered statement of the situation in due course."
Well then. No doubt any admission will be spun to try to minimise his culpability but it seems Brown may end up facing some of the reality of what damage he has done to this country.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 January 2009
18:4614353i read today that japan has posted their worst growth since records were kept.
let us hope that they do not try to kickstart their economy with overseas construction projects.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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30 January 2009
19:5914355americas is down 3.8% down in the last qurter
Sid Pollitt
30 January 2009
22:2614358But BarryW you seem to think the UK is finished. You do not seem to understand that the word global either. You flip from Gordon Brown alone messed up the economy and the government has nicked the Tories policies, and from we're all doomed to when we get the Tories in we wont panic! If the government have nicked the Tories policies maybe that's why they thing aint fixed, to be fair Vince Cable said much the same to the Tory frontbencher in the HoC last week. A frontbencher I must say that I did not recognise.
Is the real problem BarrW that the whole [global] recession might be a crisis of world capitalism?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 January 2009
23:3014363Sid - When Brown finally admits his culpability you really will feel a prize fool, but then you might not understand him and it will go right over your head.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 January 2009
23:3914364barry
being insulting to a fellow poster does you no credit
i understand that you are a personal financial adviser
does that give you the credibility to tell the prime minister or chancellor of the exchequer who to run the country?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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31 January 2009
08:3514372An earlier posting said there isn't rioting in the streets here - there is now.
Using Italian workers is causing riots and wild-cat strikes around the Country; many firms' workers are striking due to Gordon Brown's comments a while ago about "British Jobs for British Workers" - sounds rather hollow now.
A silly thing to say really, we all know that people in the EU member-states can go anywhere they like to work.
Roger
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31 January 2009
08:5314374Chaps chaps keep it light..different views are part of the fun. No kicking gouging spitting or insulting... comon now.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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31 January 2009
08:5514375Sometimes howard knocking your head against a brick wall can have that effect.
As for my 'qualifications' it is clear that my experience and knowledge of finance is considerably greater than Gordon Brown's. He wont even accept advice from experts and that is one of the main reasons he has been such a total disaster as Chancellor and PM. Remember, I am not speaking merely in retrospect, I have been warning for years about the problems he has been stacking up.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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31 January 2009
09:5714382As it said in the good book, you woll have seven good years followed by seven bad years, it goes on to say in the seven good years you must store away for the bad seven years, and that is where it all fell down,we did not put by for the seven bad years, now we must pay for it, but if we turn to coal as i said before it is not to late to turn the seven bad years into good one, and again hate to say this but over a year ago I done aposting about workers from overseas and taking out jobs again now in the bad years that also has come home.
also some years ago i was in the headlines of all the local paoers about asylum-seekers and was taken to the Standards Board for England the headlines were like this Matcham row drags on, Matcham row continues,Councillor in Racism probe, i did say at the time it was not about racism but living standards and jobs in the end of it all the Decision for the Standards Board for England said there was no case to answer,as I said at the time and it is the same today I am not racist or anything like that just have concerns about jobs e,t,c,
Vic Matcham
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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31 January 2009
22:4714447roger makes a good point about foreign labour being dragged in whilst local workers(skilled) are left unemployed.
lord mantelpiece said today that protectionism would make things worse!!!
does he not realise that protectionism is meant to apply to stopping other countries exporting to us?
ensuring that our own people get first bash at jobs in a recession is common sense, any country would do the same
1 February 2009
10:2014457Ah, Common Sense........I remember when that was important..........
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 February 2009
18:3714478Mantelpiece as Howard calls him, is now saying if you don't like it, go and work in any of the European countries - I know Norman Tebbit said about getting on yer bike and find work, but the Eurostar !!
Roger
1 February 2009
18:4614479I believe we need a reality check - Mr Mantelpiece, please tell us how the last effort at supplementing native workforces with "aliens" ended in Germany during a time of financial crisis?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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1 February 2009
19:2214483when i was working in Germany afew years ago when the work slowed up the first send home was the brits, think it was right to do that and it would be right now that overseas workers should go back home before any brits are put on the doll we must look after our own first. that way it saves jobs and funding.
Vic M