Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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23 January 2009
20:2913659I thought that was Duncan Smiff, Sid who was stabbed in the back,or was it John Major,sorry no I just remembered it was William Hague not too seriously though as he is back on the front bench,with -I now will do anything to be on the shadow front bench -Europe whats Europe! Ken Clarke
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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23 January 2009
20:3413661I also see mad Boris Mayor of all London now wants to push out and be Mayor of Kent and Neptune as well,he wants to build a airport in the Thames Gateway on a floating island,don't hear Paul Carter at KCC agreeing.
Still Paul Carter spent all our money on 2 wonderful ventures,flying everyone to Virginia to see if they wanted to twin with Kent,and Kentish Television,so who has watched it.I bet BarryW has
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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23 January 2009
22:1513675zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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24 January 2009
14:5913723goodnight kieth.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 January 2009
16:4114141Back to the topic....
You can see from today's IMF report why this man has said Sterling is 'finished'...
The UK economy to shrink by 2.8% in 2009. Compare that to the: US by 1.6%, Germany 2.5%, France 1.9%, and Japan 2.6%
Overall the Global economic growth will fall to 0.5% in 2009, lowest rate of GROWTH since World War II. That alone puts paid to Brown's 'helpless in the face of a world slowdown' claim - some countries will have enough growth to offset those that shrink.
Then look to 2010, the UK economy to grow a meagre 0.2% in 2010 compared to Global growth of 3%
Now, what was it Gordon Brown keeps repeating, oh yes, I have found the exact quote:
"Britain is better placed than any other country to weather the recession."
Isnt it time he 'fessed up and replaced the word 'better' for 'worse' - no-one believes him and there is no data to back him up.
Incidentally, they also say the prospect of the UK going effectively bankrupt cannot be ruled out.
That's not David Cameron doing mischief, it's the world's pre-eminent economic institution.
Isn't it about time Brownr acknowledged that his economic policies have made matters worse for the UK compared to elsewhere? How much longer can Brown remain in denial?
Sid Pollitt
28 January 2009
16:5014149Doomed, we're all doomed yet again. Even the shadow shadow chancellor, Ken Clarke, said at the weekend that all the doom and gloom stuff was nonsense. Those who have been saying Britain is broken and now say it is bust should leave with no need to turn the light out.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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28 January 2009
16:5814154barryw,funney that you posted that report and twisted it to suit your way of thinking,i read the same report and brown wasnt mentioned in the report,all it mentiond was that britain will take slightly longer to come of resesion but only banks start lending again globaly.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 January 2009
17:2414159We are having a bad time of it but we will come out of it, you can not say it is all down to the reds if the blues was in, it would still be the same it is all around the westen world, and lets face it Mr Brown as not had it easy from day one it has been very hard for him as a person but he is still there holding on I am not red or blue but at this time I do think with all the skill Mr Brown has got over alot of years I think he is the person to get it right in the end and we should for now gave him some support and help him, thats what I think anyway, but he could help himself by geting coal back on
Vic MATCHAMon.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 January 2009
19:3714171The point of the IMF forecast is that it is clear that we are worse hit than other major industrialised nations - why?
The report did not mention Brown, Brian, I did. Brown has been in charge of the economy for 11/12 years so he is responsible personally for how badly the UK economy is able to weather the recession and for having the worse growth prospects of all western industrialised nations. The IMF report is unambigious and untainted by political bias.
What I cant understand is how Brown thinks he can get away with his continious lies in the face of a tidal wave of independently verified facts against him. Those who say he is deluded must be right.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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28 January 2009
22:0114195may be so barry but he is the gezzer in charge at the moment and not dc.all it needs is the banks to get there arses in gear and start lending again to kick start the economy and bobs your uncle he is in a win win situation.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 January 2009
22:2614196Brian - it is far more complex than that and the problems more deep seated. The banks can, do and will lend but they have quite rightly tightened their criteria and must not return to doing so irresponsibly. Yes freeing credit is essential and would be a start but as the IMF say we will not see any growth until 2010 and then their forecasts are very low, the economy is almost certain to still shrinking in the first part of 2010. I dont think the public will feel financially more secure until late 2010 or early 2011.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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28 January 2009
22:5614203only if you make hard on your self barry there are easyer ways of doing things.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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29 January 2009
07:5714210Well I am sure Brown/Cameron etc would all love the benefit of your economic expertise, perhaps you should write a book on economics Brian.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 January 2009
08:5514215havent got the time at the mo.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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29 January 2009
15:3014257Oxford economics have done some analysis of the Brown stimulus. I read about it here:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3303481/howbrowns-stimulus-will-destroy-jobs.thtml
It blows Brown's policy for dealing with the recession out of the water.
It agrees that in 2009 35,000 jobs will be created (a drop in the water against 2.5m lost) as a result of the VAT reduction but in 2010 when the VAT is re-imposed there will then be 30,000 jobs lost as a result. It then gets worse because the NI increases kick in and this results in much bigger jobs losses in the following two years, 91,000 in 2012 and 84,000 in 2013.
It is damming stuff.
Sid Pollitt
29 January 2009
20:0014273In the paper yesterday I saw it reported that Barack Obama was putting his fiscal stimulus plan forward and also saw an article on how much certain U.S. banks lost since 2007: Lehman Bros £21.2bn, Citigroup £140.6bn, Merrill Lynch £60.5bn, Bear Stearns £2.3bn. I point this out as some people dont seem to understand that the financial problems faced recently are global. And when they have independent commentators/ experts on the TV and they're asked about shares etc they keep saying that investments should be viewed over a long period rather than reacting to short term blips which I take also applies to our shares in UKplc. I'm not for a minute saying that what we face isnt serious but 'we're all doomed' aint helping and I return to my earlier stance: If you think the UK is finished you should do one.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 January 2009
20:3014279i see that our french compatriots held a nationwide strike today over the global recession.
not sure how a series of placards in lille and other places will change things though.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 January 2009
20:4614283it didnt affect the ferries howard they were going quite well thankfully.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 January 2009
21:4114285brian
apparently the travel network ground to a halt, schools too, as the teachers went on strike.
bit of a surprise that the ports did not follow suit .
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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29 January 2009
22:3314290Do not right us of yet we now have the very best Battle ship in the world even the U. S.A said on the news it is 50years ahead of anything they have, good news is that there are four more in service by the end of the year with two or more aircraft -carriers on the way all made over here keeping 1000s of jobs going, come on than not all bad and all done by the reds, I take my hat off to them over this
Vic MATCHAM