howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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there are two options open here
1) it is a right con.
2) vic will be a right hon.
what would members choose as their main option?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sorry about that wrong key it was 4%only but thank you for pointing that out to me. Vic M
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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well then vic
heres yor opportunity to reply to my posting on barrys blog
as you said you would do
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Keith. first you can log into,www.ukipsoutheastkent.co.uk.
There you will see my photo.E.T.C.
Keith you will be geting this in your door soon,anyway I said I will do it so I will.
(1)Lower business rates.
(2)Dover & Deal Police Stations open up again 24hours 7days aweek.
(3)Again Cottage Hospitals open in Dover and Deal with 24 cover with a Dr there.
(4) Town&Parish Councils to take extra responsibilities with appropriate funding.
(5) No to the Port privatisation.
(6) No to Large developments in our villages.
well there is lots more to come yet but I have ameeting at home soon,so must get ready,back later.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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well hope you can vic tell us more like;
a;What will YOU do to get lowere busne rates?
b;to open police stns that amount time how would ukip fund it
c;If those professional people dont want to work at hospitals in Dover/Deal
what will YOU do to convince them
dDo you feel town councils ready for wider responsibility, what more do you
feel they should be allocated
e; Whats your alternative to port privatisation
f; if you dont want developement in villages and over 7,000 houses to be built
where should they be built, also can villages survive as they are?
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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The answer to point F, Keith, is that the Labour party should hang their heads in shame. In this constituency the villages affected by blight and deprivation are Labour strongholds, ex-pit villages jam packed with Labour supporters. Look at them now - squalid unemployment black spots with sky-high crime rates - and don't go blaming the tories for it, either - the Labour Party have been in Downing Street long enough to have done something for the people of these villages, yet the villages are worse than ever. Can the villages survive as they are? Of course not, they need investment from many different sources, not being left to fend for themselves as consecutive Labour governments have done.
Look at Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and tell me, without a word of a lie, that they give a monkey's about the plight of these villages or the people who live in them. As a committed Labour man yourself who has a strong sense of social justice - which you clearly do - you can hardly start preaching at Vic about his policies when the Labour Party's policies on this are so abject themselves.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thank you for that Andy,we have a full day and later in the day I have ameeting with the N.H.S. I will let you know if i can find out anything about Dover. cheers Vic M
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Andy
firstly im no longer a member of labour party, although out of all the parties/non parties they are the ones i will probably vote for.
there are of course 4 exceptions on the town council to this, whom given the opportunity i would vote against.
I come from the left of the labour party, never denied it, never hidden, and your correct those in power maybe don't see the way forward as clear as you or I.
But I don't share your view of they don't care.
T Blair, G Brown, D Cameron, N Clegg, all have passion, its about where that passion lies, and how its managed/used.
I have no doubt all the above and lots more are passionate on there beliefs.
Vic to is pssionate.
as is roger
and the list goes on
I wished T Blair at the time looked after wotrking classes, like maggie looked after her own.
instead he chose to be like the rest.
Of course there are part reasons for this, like, middle England where the vote is
and we were all those years ago unelectable, and big changes had to happen.
sadly there are many things i would like to see t blair/g brown do better
for us, the working classes.
and please dont tell me theres no such thing, theres still a big divide between those that have, and those that have not
And that Keith is why Labour do not deserve another spell in Government, they have failed their supporters badly.
Just to take one area, unemployment. By being much tougher on immigration it would have provided the opportunity to be more creative for the unemployed.
Jobs that are going to foreigners should be going to British workers first. No real steps have been taken in 13 or more years to redress this imbalance. So while foreign workers come here and send their money home, UK residents are drawing benefits. This is NOT the fault of the migrants, but of successive Governments that have allowed this practice to continue. I expected a Labour government to be very active and innovative in this whole area, but they have done nothing of note in their time.
While there are UK residents out of work and there are vacancies (and there are hundreds of thousands of vacancies today), the JobCentres should be empowered to force benefit seekers to go to work, where they can obviously.
It will not be a simple task to put this into effect, but it is possible to make a start, and Labour has failed us all miserably in this regard. It would be cheaper for the country to subsidise benefit seekers getting work for say 3 months, give them say 25% of their benefits as a subsidy. It would help them get started rather than paying them to sit at home.
For those that are genuinely unable to find work. add to the list of works available a programme of social needs of the community tasks they can do before getting thier benefits paid. Most unemployed folks would welcome the opportunity to do something useful rather than sit at home. For the hardcore, "won't work" types, tougher rules will need to apply.
I'm just rambling here, but already have probably suggested more creative solutions than I've heard from any government in my lifetime.
Yet, sadly, to date, none of the main parties appear keen to address this complex but vital issue. UK residents working will generate tax revenues, reduce benefit costs, and lower immigration. Why has Labour ignored this challenge to do something for the non-working people of this country, whatever class you put them in?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sid
You state
Just to take one area, unemployment. By being much tougher on immigration it would have provided the opportunity to be more creative for the unemployed.
They are tough on immigration.Asylum applications have fallen dramatically and refusals have risen.There are,in many peoples eyes, too many asylum seekers detained including women and children yet this government has continued to lock em up until removal arrangements have been made and the applicants legal avenues are all closed and exhausted.
Yes it could be even stronger.For instance why is it that we require visas for USA Australia and New Zealand but their nationals do not require visas for the UK. So the fair answer is to make all visa requirements reciprocal.
Also the number of people refused visas to visit ,study or work in the UK has risen.So sorry will have to disagree with you on this point.
Sid states"Jobs that are going to foreigners should be going to British workers first. No real steps have been taken in 13 or more years to redress this imbalance. So while foreign workers come here and send their money home, UK residents are drawing benefits. This is NOT the fault of the migrants, but of successive Governments that have allowed this practice to continue. I expected a Labour government to be very active and innovative in this whole area, but they have done nothing of note in their time".
Most of those jobs have gone to EU nationals Poles in particular.The EU allows the free movement of labour plus they normally undertake jobs that Brits would not entertain. A recent report from farmers,daff growers etc claim their businesses would have gone to the wall had it not been for foreign labour.So we could end up cutting off our noses to spite our face. The only answer would be to withdraw from the EU which I am totally against.What would happen to all our overseas expats that earn a living abroad...Nigeria for example...
While there are UK residents out of work and there are vacancies (and there are hundreds of thousands of vacancies today), the JobCentres should be empowered to force benefit seekers to go to work, where they can obviously.
The Job Centres require unemployed youngsters upto the age of 24yrs to retrain or in many cases attend courses or risk losing their benefit.Anyone unemployed over a certain period loses their benefit forthwith. So Job Centres do have power to get the country back on its feet.
There are no quick fixes.This government operates Sure start,free nursey places so mothers can return to work sooner they hve introduced Tax credits so that by going back to work your pay is topped up and allows you to get out of the benefit trap.These are just a few schemes in operation that have been introduced by the labour govt.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Keith
Far from telling you that there is no divide between those that have and those that have not, I believe that the economic divide in this country is greater than it ever has been and is fuelled by a culture of greed at board levels in City companies and in Westminster itself. The sight of Stephen Byers hailing himself as a gun for hire I found sickening beyond belief, but I'm not saying it's a Labour thing, it's MPs from all sides on the make.......truly disgusting.
I'd have more time for Labour if there were any pretence at them representing the working man, but they're just clinging on for dear life and being cheap in their transparent abandonment of Socialism. You know how I feel, I think.........this Labour Government have had their time and don't deserve being reelected, the Tories will say what they think people want to hear in order to gain their vote and the Lib Dems seem unable to command support from many. Whatever happened to "Left is Red and Right is Blue, and never the twain shall meet"? At least with Kinnock and Thatcher you had a straight choice between Socialism and Capitalism, that's long ago vanished now.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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MAREK
With you all the way
ANDY
I understand where your coming from, but let me repeat previous postings, getting rid of this govt wont change anything.
The greed culture was started by our maggie, and continued by this govt at times.
So please dont think votinh against this govt will change anything.
SID
As marek said, those at places such as Kent Salads do the work that in this country wouldn';t do, yet continue to claim benefit as its far easier.
And lets make no mistake, there are NO proposals
LAB OUR .LIB DEM or Tory
to do owt with the benefits system, so again whether or not labour get in, the benefits system won't be taken on.
Every party has avoided it,
its seen as a vote loser.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Andy Cooper.
I agree that more can be done by this Government to help our villages but it's not fair to blame it all on
Labour. All parties should shoulder the responsibilities.
But to state "and don't go blaming the tories for it" is outrageous.
Has it not sunk in yet that our mines have vanished? That's why we have unemployment and black spots with sky-high crime rates.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think you are all having a very good debate with some very good points coming over,I am just sorry at this time i can not join in with it.I have very full days at this time from about 430am to about 2300hrs I love doing it all,but again I have over done it. This old leg is still playing up. But would like to thank my team who are the best one could have,but even one or two of them are unwell at this time.
What we need is help with geting leaflets out,so if any of you would like to help please email me or phone me on my new m/07758710889. My old one is still ringing but I do not know where it is. The one I have now is a very good one and the cost of it was £3.99p but I had to put £10 on it as well but still very good. Both my wife and me have to go to the denist in the morning for some drilling, so again I will not get out long with my leaflets but we will get there in the end. Thank you.Please keep posting on this site and a thank you to the boss for leting it go on for so long.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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VIC
Im interested to know whatyou say is a good result for you personally
ie;
winning the seat
if not
coming 2nd, 3rd 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th,8th.
and how many votes is a gd result for you?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
keith
i would have thought that having a share of the vote that affects the result will be enough success.
i am sure that gwyn and his office are watching proceedings with a lot of interest.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As this one will not take long I will tell you,I would love to get in,and that can be done. As I always go out to win in anything I do,even when I was boxer you get in the ring to win,even if the odds are against you, and at times I did come out the winner when the odds were against me.So there you have it Keith.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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howard
wONDER WOT VIC THINKS
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As I said we do have Lord PEARSON coming to Dover soon and i will tell you more later on about that visit. thank you.
