Thank you for your support Alexander, much appreciated and naturally I agree with your posts also!
Howard, I think Sid is saying the opposite to Alex. to be honest.
The EU see the younger generations as one of their main hopes for completing their project of domination ( sorry, but I can`t think off a better word ) and have put huge resources into brainwashing ( again sorry, but can`t think of a better word! ) the youngsters. They then grow up believing that any sort of eurosceptic is a nasty person etc. Believe me, I`ve seen some of the literature dished out to the kids and it`s not unlike you`d see in Nazi Germany against the jews or the type of stuff that you`d get in schools in China and North Korea etc., It really is that bad. All paid for by the European taxpayers of course.
Lets's try another word:
Project of domination = European peace (let's not forgt the millions who died beating Germany at their national sport).
Brainwashing = education (good enough for Saint Tony who said it three times and delivered it, well, not at all actually).
Sid, You`re probably one of many europhiles that consider peace in Europe is all down to the EU. This is a common misconception and yet another part of their propaganda.
If the EU were only about trade and cooperation between truly independant democratic nations, and nothing more, then it would certainly help to keep the peace. However, with it`s agenda for central control over everything and its remote, secretive and undemocratic way of operating, the EU is more likely to be a source of conflict. Artificial federations eventually break up in turmoil just like the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.
The main reason for the peace so far is the presence of NATO and US forces stationed on the East German border and the nuclear balance.
Independant democratic nations rarely go to war against one another and I don`t see how the EU can take any credit for that.
John, I have never denied the EU needs sorting out, but the record speaks for itself. For 945 years minimum Europe has been at war with itself; since th EU was founded the member states haven't fired even a starting pistol at each other. Given Europe's record for having to host those 'orrid Frenchies the last half century has been nothing but an outstanding success.
I also think any major changes to operating procedures or terms of membership or treaties of any kind should be subject to referendum. Strangely, these are denied to us by a socialist government who I thought were supposed to be on our side?
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sid
there are more of our young people in higher education than ever before.
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Only because there are no jobs for them, Howard!
True friends stab you in the front.
And most desperately trying for degrees in hairdressing or media studies. In other words, nothing worthwhile.
And while I'm on the subject, my daughter is taking an English degree. The standard of her English, even though she won top prize at St Eddie's, would not have got her into the top class at my secondary school back in the '60's!!!
As the saying goes, "quality not quantity".
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down the locao joke center oops job center go onto the touch screen computers and you will find at least 300 local jobs.
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Cutting lettuces and picking strawberries, Brian, nothing much worthwhile if the job pages of the local rags are to go by.
True friends stab you in the front.
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andy,a job is a job what ever way you look at it.and not forgetting the numerase care jobs etc.
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Sid, your statement that the e.u. is necessary to prevent wars within Europe is, look, I don't want to use your terms such as 'rant, drivel', as I rather keep these for the politicians when they deserve it, but it certainly merits a thread on my part. It's the reason why I wrote my last thread, when you stated that young people have no problems with the e.u. Your statements concern themes of enormous importance, so I like to keep decent in terms with you, even though you often use words like 'rant' to what my views are.
May-be I should say, Sid, that the e.u. carried out, albeit in the name of Nato, ugly bombing campaigns in Europe in the 1990's! That the export of weapons around the world from e.u. states is so ugly and enormous and contradictory to what you state. That children are not born in western countries under e.u. dictatorship because the parents can't afford it, is, in my view, a form of genocide! And supplanting us people in our own Country (countries when referring to western Europe too) is downright ugly!
Also, until very recently, the Polish and Czeck governments were trying to spark off a cold war with Russia asking for American missiles and radar stations to be placed on their territory. Becaue President Obama then got in and sent the Polish and Czeck governments packing, the cold-war didn'tbreak out. It wasn't the e.u. governments who poured cold water over these war-mongering provocateurs, they were all for it!
I'm beginning to lose the will to live. How can anyone be so ill-informed and yet spout forth so frequently? Alexander, I use these terms as a desperate attempt to get through to you; at least I am bothering to try.
The Czech and Polish governments did NOT ask the US for missile defence systems, it wad the other way around. The Yanks wanted them on the basis of Bush/Blair paranoia about Iran. The Ruskies rightly saw the missiles as a potential threat. Obama has now sort of convinced all parties that the US system can defend Europe and of course, Moscow from attack by a rogue state. I think the project is on hold due to lack of money/interest etc.
With regard the Serbian crisis; NATO did extensively bomb parts of the former Yugoslavia in an attempt to stop a very nasty civil war. The breakaway states of Yugoslvia were NOT part of the EU however.
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But these areas (Balcans) are in Europe, Sid! And some people keep trying to explain in the media that e.u. is Europe and noting else! A contradiction, what!
However, Sid, please do go to a job centre and note that almost everyone signing on is British, they call out the names, so you can tell by that too. All day the place is thronged with unemployed people. Now try to figure out that it is similar in western Europe, and that home-evictions often have to do with people being chucked out of their job and the factory plant sent off to eastern Europe and China. Then go for a walk along Townwall Street and noe that now, about half the trucks are Polish or from other easten European countries. Yes, Sid, exporoting to Britain all that we recently still produced!
No, Sid, I am not wrong! Yes, Sid, the UKIP have got it centre-on! This party is open to reality, and is not anti Europe!
Aleaxander, try job centres in parts of London and the Midlands, you may be surprised by what you see.
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Sid, why don't you just stroll to Dover job-centre, and convince yourself. C'est plus facile! We are in Dover, and I am seriously trying to dialogue with you, and I might even have sentiments for some European countries that are very strong! I am not anti-European, and I do believe that when e.u. tyrants (as I call them) get so mixed up in the lives of so many people in so many countries, and take over national Sovereignty, cancel the democratic will of people, and take over (and destroy) the economy in many nations, and paste their 12 star halo flags on every public office such as in Italy and elsewhere, they CANNOT go and hide and pretend they have nought to do with so many people going bankrupt personally, and this includes the home-evicted for failing to pay their debits! Particularly when so much unemployment has come about and persists owing to e.u. policies to throw out of work millions of British and western European workers and pack the machinery off to the East! Sid, they will not get off so lightly, I will keep after them and keep confronting them with the misery they have inflicted on so many people! Else why did they paste their portraits everywhere and their 12 star halo flags and proclaim themselves 'the founding fathers of Europe'?
I was concerned Vic that the bnp beat you in quite a few seats , your reaction ?
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the bnp manifesto was very short and easy to digest.
ukip had a full programme of policies that may not have been fully understood by sectors of the electorate.
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I read that BNP had a leadership crisis just before the Election, which possibly did not help them. Personally I know very little about this party and its agenda.
Alexander, the BNP is full of green haired, 12 star haloed pro-European Unionists, and Nazis of course, who were also a type of socialist as I recall.
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I do not believe either of these statements, Sid!
