Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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14 August 2010
21:5765518#1
Something I noted today which concern`s us all who care about the town,and in particular, it`s image to other`s. Outside the sea sports centre just after lunchtime, a small group of youth`s and wive`s (?) with buggies had assembled around one of the table`s. The males were loud mouthed, and with a glass of beer in their hand`s, shouting over to other`s they knew passing by, but when the police walked by, they were strangely silent, but were then noisy again after they passed. Though not threatning, they caused passer`s by to look, and didn`t give a very good impression of the Beach Bar. Would it not be a good idea to either remove outside table`s there, or maybe just have a police presence nearby to deter these loud mouth`s?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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14 August 2010
22:1665520#2
Colin...
You are showing your age I think.
The yoof of today do not know how to talk at a 'normal' level they nearly always shout.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 August 2010
22:1665521#3
good point colin, not confined to our town of course.
two years ago i called the police when i spotted rather bad behaviour in pencester gardens involving a frightened infant and drunken parents and chums.
it was a saturday evening about 8 pm, plod duly arrived asked a long list of questions, they had difficulty spelling the words i used.
inevitably the miscreants had gone by the time they had written everything down.
i found out later they were specials, didn't seem that special to me.
Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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14 August 2010
23:1665526#4
Today the police were trying to deal with someone drinking near the bowling alley set up opposite the water sports centre, he was that troublesome if i had been one of the coppers i would now be on the dole awaiting court action. No copper should be expected to take that level of abuse.
beer the food of the gods
Alec Sheldon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 18 Aug 2008
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14 August 2010
23:4065528#5
I walked through Pencester on Friday at 1 PM and there was a good dozen of them sat on the low walls under the trees leading up to the flats. They weren't rowdy and at least they were away from the main park where there were a lot of children about. Still, not a good advert for Dover though.
15 August 2010
07:4165533#6
Sadly it is part of the "me me self I want it so I can have it" culture we have allowed to develop. "I want a drink and I want to shout and get your attention so I will" regardless of how it makes you feel. And there is nothing anyone does about it. The expectations of good behaviour have vanished along with the social sanctions that went with them.
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 August 2010
08:5465542#7
Out of interest, who is policing the area, toytown, sorry, PodPol or Kent?
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
15 August 2010
09:0565543#8
Colin
A major problem seems that society has moved in a different direction with no values for others with the culture Bern aptly puts.
Of course people must enjoy themselves but not at the expence of affecting other people.However the police seem to work to a different remit.
A couple of years ago I raised with our local Chief Inspector re driking in Pencester Gardens (There are local DDC notices that alchohol not permitted) as well as anti-social behaviour as the statement by the then Kent Police Chief Constable (Michael Fuller) stated that Kent Police would adopt "zero tollerance".
To my surprise I was informed by him that the notices mean nothing and he did not favour zero tollerance. If this is the view of the Inspector responsible for Dover then you can see why Mr Plod on the beat is not interested.
This also, I believe, is why our police are proud that reported incidents are down. Of course they are down if nothing is done as people see little point in reporting the matter when nothing is done.
15 August 2010
09:5065547#9
The phrase "reported incidents" is the one to note.........as you say.
I suppose we need to nod towards the inevitable mention of the class thing: that poor people drinking in the streets is viewed differently to the Nobs doing it (apologies in advance to BarryW-S!) and it is worth a look. Boris J and David C throwing food about in Oxford while jumping on tables and waitresses is accepted by some as ok because of Daddy, but the oiks doing it is scary and not to be allowed. And truth be told it might be the case - the Nobs have a place in which to do it without scaring the horses, while the Oiks tend to do it in public and alarm the genteel among us. Neither is ok, but it becomes more of an issue when people are scared and General Public (a close relative of Corporal Punishment) become annoyed.
Fire away!
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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15 August 2010
11:2065558#10
Pat, I found your posting above more interesting than you`ll ever know. I`ll be brief. I spent 20 year`s in the paper mill at Dover before I took redundancy, and during that time, I was experiencing all sorts of human life attitude`s to work, which was to prove invaluable when I joined the railway. Being very pro-rail, and loving steam, I didn`t go shouting about it to work colleague`s, and gradually over time, I got to know some great blokes with good attitude`s toward`s work, and also some good bloke`s with poor attitude`s. Anyway, I enjoyed work which often took me into remote country location`s, and I had some good manager`s as well, though not always enthusiastic as I, loved it because they could send me anywhere`s and often at short notice to cover various jobs, and above all, the roster clerk`s who needed more like me..... Back to your comment above Pat. I`ll never forget, a few year`s after being on the railway, one manager said to a supervisor in the office with me there, about a new man started on the job, and he was an enthusiastic railway supporter also. He commented, `he`s a keen railway bloke, but we`ll soon change that`!!! What I`m getting at here is, how many keen youngster`s who join the police and wish to make a go of it, get put down by Inspector`s etc with the attitude of the one which Pat mention`s above? What keen youngster proudly wearing his new uniform, would like to go out on the beat, and put the world to right, but to be told by his superior `don`t worry about it, have another cuppa`? This was the case in the paper mill and on the railway, so why should the police force be any different? Don`t get me wrong, I`ve seen them in action during my recent time off work in Dover, but I think the majority of the British public would care more about that police inspector`s attitude, than most other form`s of employment wouldn`t you think?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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15 August 2010
11:5665562#11
It is a fine line about allowing people to have a social drink picnics etc in pencester
against those that abuse the system get out of there heads and a menace to others.
But its also about working with everyone to find solutions
the police alone wont solve it.
15 August 2010
12:0765563#12
Colin
I am sure you are correct that many people do not fulfill their initial aspirations in a job because of some managers wanting a easy life. I was for many years a senior manager and then for nearly ten years ran my own successful business until retirement. Unfortunately in all walks of life there will be people not dedicated to the work they do. This is possibly a very small number but sadly affect the majority.
I will not go into the detail of my complaint, however, it was obvious nothing was being dealt with locally so I wrote to Chief Constable Fuller.
Now we really see Police bureaucracy at its best. Acknowledge by Chief Constables office and referred to Divisional, Acknowledged by Divisional and referred to Local Comander, Acknowledged by Local Comander and referred to Dover Inspector. So right back where the problem started.
I am sympathetic to the "front line" policeman, which we have too few, but it is the aparant aloofness of "Management" re a problem and if the entire police force in Kent is pushing paper back down the line do we really need these levels of police management who seem to adopt their own rules rather than those that the Chief Constable set. Remember nearly 10% of your Council Tax goes to Kent Police.
The area that really bugs me is the use of foul language. Dont get me wrong and that I am pruddish, but the F this and F that in front of small children in the street is not right. Of course over the years the english language has changed so I suppose in a couple of generations these words will be accepted as the norm in the english dictionary.
Bern
Thanks for remarks.
I think, if we are all honest most of us have all had our moments of "high jix".
What I am concerned is the regular anti-social groups (from whatever class) disturbing the majority of law abiding citizens. I do not believe there is a distinct class line as many problems in towns and cities is fuelled by late night "club" activities which seem to draw from all socio economic groups.
15 August 2010
12:4765565#13
Quite right - bad behaviour is bad behavour: I always told my kids that good manners are those that make someone feel comfortable, and bad manners are those that make people feel uncomfortable - as simple as that.
Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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15 August 2010
13:3965567#14
To answer my own question, it appears that it's PodPol who are on duty at the regatta.
As to the comments about reporting crime, all I can do is to give you own experience. A few years ago I was assaulted late one night. The two lads involved came at me from behind and then legged it so that I had no idea as to their identity. The following day I went to the nick and reported it in person. About a week later I found out from a PC that it was never entered as a report. Nuff said.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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15 August 2010
15:2265570#15
Thank you again Pat, and Bern and a bit more for us all to digest on here. Something else for future historian`s to analyse and comment on. A shame most of us won`t be here to read about it. But then again, maybe not.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.