Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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4 November 2008
06:498610Obama to win? But more importantly has anyone noticed the similarity between Barack Hussein Obama and Lewis Hamiliton? Uncanny.Maybe they will both win their appropriate races.
I shall get the wine in the fridge and watch this historical race unfold on TV.
Marek
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4 November 2008
07:588611I noticed that similarity last night, Marek.
yes this is going to be an interesting election. My normal sympathies are with the Republicans as I have said before and indeed I do prefer McCain's overall stance on security and the economy and would vote for him if an American as these are the two big issues.
I have no strong objections to Obama though. Despite my traditional preference for the Republicans I am no fan of GWB who has damaged the USA's international standing. Obaama has one real advantage in that he will find it easier to repair that damage and for those of us who value the Atlantic Alliance this is vital. This final point is why a fair number of Conservatives are supportive of Obama, including many who I respect of the right, such as Dan Hannen MEP.
It will be interesting but I am not convinced it will be as cut and dried as the polls indicate.
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4 November 2008
08:308612Barry
I agree.Pundits are predicting a landslide but there is something named after a black Governor who ran for California (name has just gone out of my head ..blast Anderson?) Where the exit polls predicted a victory and a huge majority but in the confines and secrecy of the voting booth the voters changed their mind at the last minute and voted for the safe white candidate.However to show they were 'hip' etc they all said they had voted for the black candidate.Its going to be very interesting.
Marek
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Brian Dixon
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4 November 2008
08:358613when i see mccain on telly he reminds me of our vic matcham in the way he talks also in his mannerisems.
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4 November 2008
10:108621Further to my posting above which was submitted in the early hours of this morning I have found the name of the Black candidate for the governor of California who gave his name to the voting pattern now commonly known as the Bradley effect(God knows why I said Anderson).
The Bradley effect, less commonly called the Wilder effect, is a theory proposed to explain observed discrepancies between voter opinion polls and election outcomes in some US government elections where a white candidate and a non-white candidate run against each other. The theory proposes that some voters tend to tell pollsters that they are undecided or likely to vote for a black candidate, and yet, on election day, vote for his white opponent. It was named for Tom Bradley, an African-American who lost the 1982 California governor's race despite being ahead in voter polls going into the elections.
The Bradley effect theorizes that the inaccurate polls were skewed by the phenomenon of social desirability bias. Specifically, some white voters give inaccurate polling responses for fear that, by stating their true preference, they will open themselves to criticism of racial motivation. The reluctance to give accurate polling answers has sometimes extended to post-election exit polls as well. The race of the pollster conducting the interview may factor in to voters' answers.
Some analysts have dismissed the theory of the Bradley effect, while others argue that it may have existed in past elections, but not in more recent ones. One analysis of 133 senate and gubernatorial elections between 1989 and 2006 suggests that "before 1996, the median gap for black candidates was 3.1 percentage points, while for subsequent years it was -0.3 percentage points
Marek
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4 November 2008
10:158622There is certainly a lot of evidence that people react differently in the privacy of a polling booth than when interviewed for a poll. I am not sure to what extent though this could be true in this US election, apart from that evidence Marek, for one thing a there have been a lot of new voter registrations among ethnic minorities who have not previously voted and that should work in Obama's favour.
If I was a betting man I would place my bet on Obama but I would not entirely be surprised if there was an upset.
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4 November 2008
10:588623Apparently Jonathan Dimbleby did place a bet on Obama and got odds of 17-1.Or so he said on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday.He wouldn't say how much he wagered only that he put his money down some considerable time ago.
Marek
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4 November 2008
11:298624Marek I'm with you and Jonathan on this, I feel that Obama will win but not by the predicted landslide, I wonder which way Pennsilvania will vote, could it swing over to the Democrats?
Lewis Hamilton & Barack - Hmm you could be right, I've never seen the two of them together, could they be one of the same?
May the Best Man win.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2008
20:168637the thing in common between lewis and the american is that neither of them are actually black.
i know nothing of the background of lewis hamilton, but cannot help but notice is that his dad is clearly black while lewis
is a bi of a mixture.
mr obama has white people in his family background.
i bet that black americans consider him to be white.
having said all that, i think that this election will go right down to the wire.
so many undecided voters right up until the last minute.
we have 250000 sceptic tanks here eligible to vote, they could swing it.
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4 November 2008
23:438651Just as interesting
Has anyone other than me and Private Eye noticed the similarity between McCain and Wallace (of Wallace and Grommet fame)?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
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5 November 2008
00:188652Ross
Love it
Marek
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5 November 2008
06:408654A gracious speech by McCain admitting defeat signals a new era in America as Obama wins the election and will become that countrys first black President.
He cannot be any worse than George Dubya Bush Jnr.
Marek
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Terry Nunn
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5 November 2008
07:388655For some reason Ross, I always thought of W & G whenever I saw Sheree Blair!
With regard to the election, I'm glad to say that it's back to Alaska for that awful woman, I couldn't stand her.
Terry
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5 November 2008
07:428656I would just like to say that I object strongly to Howards reference to "septic tanks". Also I feel his posting has racist undertones and he should know better. I hope PaulB will agree with me on this.
I have several American friends and do not like insults such as this about Americans, or any other nationality come to that.
Shame on you Howard.
Congratulations to President Obama
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
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5 November 2008
07:468658Lewis Hamilton's grandfather comes from Grenada in the caribbean and still works as a cabbie out there, he himself is quite pale as a lot of his fellow countrymen are .The colour of his skin should make no differance as long as he can do the job.
A dog is just not for christmas save some for boxing day
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5 November 2008
07:588659Yes Jacqui I too noticed that particular comment but did not bother to respond, it merely says a lot about howard.
Obama then has won, not seen the extent of his win yet. It was certainly an historical day and I sincerely hope that he goes on to restore the USA's prestige and rightful place in the world. I have some concerns on the economy and security fronts but I hope they are misplaced. This breath of fresh air and the change it bring, I trust, will be a positive thing for the USA and the world.
Incidentally, despite some poor interviews that showed her inexperience I still like Sarah Palin and I suspect that after a bit more experience we will see more of her. I hope so and not just because of her looks, she is such an antidote to insipid pc attitudes.
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5 November 2008
09:588661Isnt 'septic tanks' just cockney rhyming slang for yanks...? or am I missing something?
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 November 2008
10:268663That may be true PaulB but I still think it impolite to refer to Americans in that way on a public forum.
Maybe my friend Steve Power would like to comment as he lives and works in the USA, what do you think Steve?
Anyway I made my point, everyone is allowed an opinion I take it.
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
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5 November 2008
10:518667Opinions are like belly buttons,
Everybody has one but they serve no real useful purpose.
Knowing Howard I doubt that he mean't to be offensive but probably intended it to be funny.
Marek
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Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 November 2008
11:098670Well Done to Barack Obama, Phenominal news for the American voters, McCain bowed out graciously with a respectful speech, the next four years should be very interesting. It's amazing how things have moved forward from the Civil Rights campaign in Dr King's day, the dream has come true.
On a seperate note I do not think that Howard meant any offence, as PaulB said it is only rhyming slang.
