howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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Very difficult to access this information. Well, I can't.
Anyone willing to shed more light on this please?
Cambridge Terrace is rotting away.
It was spun by the Dover Harbour Board as in "exciting new development" some years ago now.
Dover Harbour Board are spending a fortune on new offices along and within de Braderie Wharf.
Thank you.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Good to see Cambridge Terrace get a mention, people have been prosecuted for allowing listed buildings to rot like this. Nobody speaks up about the antics of DHB anymore.
https://www.dover.uk.com/forums/dover-forum/grade-2-listed-cambridge-terraceGuest 1831 likes this
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I'm in favour of extending the conservation area as proposed by the Dover Society but if Cambridge terrace isn't at least "tarted up" then it makes a mockery of the idea.
http://www.kentlive.news/should-granville-gardens-de-bradelie-wharf-and-cullins-yard-bistro-be-protected-from-development/story-30131864-detail/story.htmlPatrickS
- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
The Waterloo Crescent Conservation Area Appraisal is a comprehensive and informative document open to public comment until 9 March 2017.
It stretches to 23 pages with relevant supporting photographs.
Anyone interested in putting forward views on the proposals can either email
alison.cummings@dover.gov.uk or write to her at DDC Conservation Officer.
Comments already submitted can be found at:
dover-consult.limehouse.co.uk
Full details on the DDC website.
PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
re #5 Waterloo Crescent Conservation Appraisal - safeguarding an important area of Dover.
Just a brief reminder for those interested in preserving Dover's heritage. An opportunity to comment before 9 March 2017.
[U]DDC website:[/U]
http://dover-consult.limehouse.co.uk/portal/character_appraisals/waterloo_crescent
To see all responses click on the "All Comments" tab not "View & Comment"
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PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
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Reading the comment/responses so far to this Appraisal it would appear that the majority of respondents support the view that the present conservation area should be extended to include Marine Parade Gardens (in front of the Gateway flats) and Graville Gardens. There is also strong support for the inclusion of De Bradelei Wharf and Cullins Yard, not included in the public consultation Appraisal document. Both are supported by the influential Dover Society whose objectives include:
* the securing, preservation, protection, development and improvement of features of historic or public interest.
Dissenters to the proposals include three Dover District Councillors and, not surprisingly, Dover Port (DHB).
The former sees any extension to cover Granville Gardens (the open space between Waterloo Crescent and the Gateway Flats) as an impediment to potential future development to aid tourism; the latter, who have substantial assets in both the existing and proposed areas under consultation - and it must be said have done a good job in restoring and maintaining our lovely seafront - as a potential for driving investors away from the area, creating a further financial burden in having to maintain and comply with heritage and conservation regulations, and losing further control over the area within their ownership and responsibility. Indeed they have put forward a view to relax some existing conservation requirements.
Business, business and commercial interests versus the people yet again it would seem.
Your views are important, whether for or against the proposals. Public consultation closes on 9 March.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I agree with the majority that Cullin's Yard and De Bradelei Wharf should be added to the conservation area and cannot for the life of me see what benefit to tourism could come from a development in front of the Gateway flats. Currently it is a pleasant walk past the raised and lowered flower beds and troughs and some excellent statues/sculptures. Good to see that Cambridge Terrace has not been forgotten altogether as it does seem that way to most people.
Patrick mentions the restoring and maintenance of the seafront, whilst I agree that it has been well maintained although the toilet block at the Western end was demolished, the restoration work was paid for by the Coastal Communities Fund.
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Guest 1416- Registered: 20 Nov 2014
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Just a reminder that tomorrow, March 9th, is the deadline to submit your comments, please email them to
alison.cummings@dover.gov.uk and cc
regenerationdelivery@dover.gov.uk +
conservation@dover.gov.ukA clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
I recall as a child waterloo mansions were a place where the posh lived lol looked great many years ago.
looking at them this morning they look very run down
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 2002- Registered: 8 Mar 2017
- Posts: 4
I think the conservation order may help with that Keith, let's hope so anyway. I believe they are a part of Dover's heritage, I too remember them as a child, my Mother always walked a little straighter as we passed.
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Chris- Forum Admin
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Oct 2009
- Posts: 357
A message below from Thomas, who's recently seen this topic while looking for information on 16 Waterloo Crescent. I don't have any contact details so please post here if you can help!
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I'm from Germany with orig. ancestors from Dover. re: 16 Waterloo Crescent (entrance Waterloo Mansions 18 to 26 in Cambridge Rd.) I found your comment by searching for address 16 waterloo crescent. My intention is to find out, who lives now at that 1st floor address above the cafe on the left of the Hotel entrance (owner of that wintergarden in 1st floor). In 1910 a very famous man of Dover (Mr. Duguid, a family related friend) lived at that address. He erected a cathedral for his wife. The wintergarden was always his favorite place to sit and work. I saw last year and I believe it has not been changed or renovated. I would love to make a photo from inside the flat/ office to hand it over to the church in rememberance of him. In the web I cant find a number/ name of the flat owner to write a mail or letter. the hotel servant said ..I don't know, .. so funny. At cambridge terrace my mother with sisters where taken a photo walking to the beach. Nobody takes care of Terrace. A shame. In front of the wintergarden on peer you find a bench of Pike family. Sincerely Thomas
PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
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Does anyone know if there has been an outcome to the public consultation on proposals to extend the Waterloo Crescent Conservation Area. The consultation closed over a year ago.
Or are we looking at the usual ‘long grass’ scenario!
If you recall a number of local Councillors and DHB opposed any extension to the existing area.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I think it all ended up in the too difficult tray, unfortunately there are some councillors that can always find a way of stopping things but never come up with an idea of their own.
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PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
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Perhaps you do not give them enough credit.
Wait for the resurgence of that wonderfully absurd idea of siting a chair lift at Granville Gardens to convey all to the Castle - right over the top of the Gateway Flats.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Noticed yesterday that a man operating a mini JCB was using a breaker to take out the bridge in Granville Gardens just to the east of the Yacht club. The water's long gone and replaced with flower beds, so I guess the construction is a bridge too far, though I rather liked it. But also the topsoil had been removed from the lawned area near the ex-bridge. As usual there's no information on site about what's happening, but perhaps the chair to the castle idea has lift off.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,020
That’s a shame my grandchildren loved going over the bridge.
PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
A Bridge Too Far!! Apparently.
It was rather a pleasant little bridge - doing no harm to anyone and added character to Granville Gardens that lay alongside the
Waterloo Crescent Conservation area. And at one time proposed to be included within the conservation area itself.
Regretfully this is the only photograph I have of it. I'm sure others will have better ones.
According to those on site it was demolished because it was slippery to walk on. Really!!
It doesn't take much to work out the cost of coating the little bridge with anti-slip paint as opposed to demolishing it and rebuilding the path to Waterloo Crescent and (apparently) grassing over the remainder. Workmen have been there for several days and have just finished the demolition stage.
Or perhaps DDC have eyes on a larger development - a bigger 'bridge over troubled waters' (sorry road) or journey to the Castle perhaps? Any one for a lift? Perhaps this is one reason why certain councillors opposed Granville Gardens being included in the proposed extension to the Conservation area - the result of said consultation apparently put to the bottom of DDC's in-tray and conveniently forgotten.
The Frith Collection has a 1965 photo of the Gardens at
https://www.francisfrith.com/us/dover/dover-granville-gardens-c1965_d50143
although the fountain and stream under the bridge are now long gone.
Any plan to further tinker unsympathetically with the Gardens will be watched very closely.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Under the spreading Cedar tree I pecked you and you pecked me:
Doubt there'll be any grass growth at this rate.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,821
I am so fed up with the pigeons thinking my window sills are a perfect perching place I am seriously thinking of getting those spikes things to stop them. I can no longer feed the other birds and their pigeon droppings are everywhere and to think I thought the gulls were a B pest at least they went away once they had eaten the food.
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