Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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24 October 2009
19:2031398Bit about myself. I`ve been into Astronomy for over 40 years now, and been into many of the various fields it covers, from the universe itself, down to the microscopic world and beyond. My current interests for the last 8 years lie with extraterrestial intelligence. The possibilities etc. I`m not talking about flying saucers, UFOs, or little grey men. I have a number of books by top professors, astronomer`s and leading biologists on the subject, and I`m always interested in other peoples views. I`m never offended by remarks, and I have a good sense of humour, and appreciate this post will be open for a few laughs maybe. Some colleagues at work really get absorbed when you talk about it. Any intelligent answers out there?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 October 2009
19:2631400fully agree colin, they are definitley out there, some have even been here.
that documentary ET was ample proof for me.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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25 October 2009
07:2631449It could be that it is presumptious of us (humans) to think that we are the only intelligent (??) life forms in the universe (in our's, we probably are), but as space is infinite - isn't it ? there are probably life forms "out there" and if they visit us, they must have greater inteligence than us, as they have worked out how to create hyper-speed space travel and visited us, where we have not.
Roger
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25 October 2009
09:2931455There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that there is intelligent alien life out there. This galazy alone is so vaste, billions of suns, as to make it improbable that there is no other intelligent life, let alone the billions of other galazies as well.
Whether any has ever visited earth, well that is another question entirely. Unlikely I think but I live in hope that we will find out differently one day.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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25 October 2009
09:3431456Sometimes I think we`re alone. Sometimes I think we`re not. In either case, the thought is staggering.
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Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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25 October 2009
10:0031459The word INFINITY puzzles me at times, in a way everything is contained by something. there has to be something out there and an end to it all.
OH my Sunday is is going to peices now.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
25 October 2009
10:0731460Indeed - the old brain begins to overheat a bit when contemplating the infinite! I have read Steven Hawkings books, and now all I need is someone to tell me what I have read about......................
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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25 October 2009
10:3431463I have to say Bern, If i was to read one of thse books it would take a very long time, I'd get to the end of each page then spend a few days thinking about it.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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25 October 2009
10:5331466Need more than a few days Ian. I still can`t get my head around it all. If I could, I`d be up there with Einstein. It`s what makes it all so mind blowing. Where members on here view the world from here, I view it from out there, which is why most things here seem so trivial. We should all be one and expanding out there, like our ancestors did here centuries ago. We`re confined to this planet with no life insurance for any future catastrophe. We have no where`s to run.
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25 October 2009
10:5431467This subject is one that I've had a passing interest in since my days as BUFORA's official illustrator many years ago. At one time utterly dismissive of the idea that aliens could ever visit us, I've always found the theoretical physics that could make such a visit possible very compelling. For example, the idea that a craft with a very high-powered gravity drive, capable of bending the fabric of space-time, is "in theory" a possibility but in "physical reality" highly improbable, but such a craft would allow visitors to travel anywhere in the universe instantly (even faster than the cosmic speed limit of lightspeed). Such a craft would also need to generate more gravity than the average planet in order to distort the fabric of space enough to render such a journey possible so would probably need an engine the size of Saturn or something. But who's to say some race of uber-intelligent beings out there haven't found a way?
But far more than this, I find the human aspect of UFOs and alien visitation the most interesting, especially the paranoia and conviction of conspiracy theorists and the ideas that a real, proven alien visitation could cause the collapse of established religions (any alternative or higher intelligence in the universe basically cancels-out God. If he made us in HIS image then who made the superior aliens?).
I love a good sci-fi movie, but do sometimes wonder how real aliens would affect human politics, religious institutions, and indeed our own understanding of life, the universe, and everything. How would it change us as a society? How would our technology change? Would we be better off with highly advanced aliens visiting us or would we become a conquered species of slave drones? Would, as conspiracy theorists suggest, all major governments really hide alien visitors and cover up the truth in order to maintain their own grip on power?
I have absolutely no answers, the whole subject only breed questions and more questions but it is really very fascinating.
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25 October 2009
11:2031468Great post Rick. So much to it that we can`t go into any detail here. I always have an open mind on it all, but even with the top minds and all the available knowledge we have, the amateur`s can speculate as well as they can. Regarding if there was a god, he would have to be an alien anyway, as he certainly wouldn`t be human. Just to add regarding infinity mentioned above. Our universe is finite. The edge of our universe is the remnant heat from the big bang. As Rick correctly says above, light curves in on itself. You can`t go to the edge and peep through it. You`ll come back to where you started. Then there`s the multi verse theory, but we`re drifting away from the original topic now.
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25 October 2009
11:5131472Several years ago, when I earned a living as a cartoonist / illustrator, Fortean Times published one of my cartoons. I still like it so thought I'd share it with you:
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25 October 2009
12:2231481Tell them I came, and no one answered.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 October 2009
12:3031482If these 'so called visiting aliens' are so intelligent why do they always seem to appear in a middle of a forest at the dead of night to some redneck yank or country bumpkin.Why not make themselves known to a world leader.Surely they must pick up our radio and TV signals?
I regret I am,therefore, a non believer.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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25 October 2009
12:3431483I should think if they pick up our tv signals, they`d send a message home saying, no sign of intelligent life here.
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Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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25 October 2009
12:4931484I used to criticise top scientists years ago when many of them stated we were alone. Billions of suns, billions of planets, how could we be alone? I`ve gone into astrobiology since then, and another whole subject in itself where I am completley out of my depth, but learning all the time. Been to a couple of interesting lectures on it as well. After reading, and hearing about the complexities of life, and the chances of it ever occurring, I`m not quite so quick at criticising the above. Some say why is the universe here as it is? We see the universe as it is, only because we are here to observe it. Maybe others of course. My view is, until there`s evidence, you can only speculate on what we know at present.
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Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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25 October 2009
13:0831486The theory of light, wave/particle duality. Not exactly relevant to above, but an interesting item you may have seen before. Stare at it, and what do
you see? This is the well known 2 faces and a vase diagram.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 October 2009
13:1631488i always assumed that the landings were in desolate areas, due to their being no lights there.
they would naturally assume people lived in lit up areas and would be very unkind to aliens.
25 October 2009
13:5431492Rather than us being alone in the universe (which would imply that "life" is a rare miracle and gives credibility to the idea of a "God") it's possible that life exists all over the universe (which, as Alan Moore so brilliantly put it, would mean that "life is an overrated phenomenon" and also shatters the "god illusion"). It is now accepted in serious scientific communities that life MUST exist elsewhere in the universe and there is even a numerical equation which attempts to try and estimate the number of civilisations in the universe. For those interested, it's called the Drake Equation (N= [r* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc] L ).
Now then, my question is this: Do scientists now give this question serious consideration as part of their mission to destroy God or simply because the "religion" of science is expanding into new areas of thought?
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25 October 2009
14:1431494Interesting reply Rick, though that Drake equation relies on too many assumptions, and that was in 1960, since which, we`ve learnt alot more. Not sure if its all scientists out to destroy god, (Richard Dawkins I`m very familiar with), but I personally hope scientists are continuing to expand into facts based on what evidence there is as opposed to thought.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
