#1
I cannot possibly comment on this story as it just goes way over my head into a realm of disbelief that I cannot possibly comprehend. Over to you guys...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1200220/Wheres-PC-Pagan-Hes-Summer-Solstice-Sarge-.htmlBrian Dixon
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#2
what can one say.
#3
Yes, but it is Littlejohn. People like Keith Vaz and Mandy were created simply and solely to increase Littlejohns risk of an aneurism.
PS - herring weighing...is that anything like haddock stretching? And can I put it as my hobby in Who's Who?
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#4
A great article, but I can't believe that the Police have been so stupid, gullible - and so PC.
It may be LittleJohn Bern, but reading it made an awful lot of sense - in a scary sort of way.
Is there a White Policeman's club ? I thought not; talk about devisive.
Guaranteed to create major problems.
Roger
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#5
The fact that they are policemen/woman should be first and foremost, it really shouldn't matter whether they are black white brown or skybluepink with purple polka-dots,Who or how they sleep with one or other does not matter either, it doesn't matter how or who they worship, they are the police and the above mentioned should be left at home while they are doing their job, as it should be with all other occupation's. it's nobody else's concern, and do we need to know, and do we really care what they get up to in private.
A dog is just not for christmas save some for boxing day
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#6
I can't see a problem here - if particular police officers want to use annual leave for a pagan festival, why not? It also helps make it easier for others, who may want Christmas or Easter off. Is there something about this I haven't understood?
Where there could be a matter for discussion is if people of religions other than Christian or Don't-Really-Care get the trad holidays here and their own religious days too, thus gaining more paid days off than others. In the police and other round-the-clock organisations this doens't apply, though, as shifts can be arranged to accommodate it.
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#7
So as long as others get equal hols why shouldnt this be?
as maggie says i don't see the prob
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#8
it does seem a bit like the usual littlejohn stuff.
it gives the impression that they are being given extra leave, rather than taking their holidays at a different time.
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#9
But it's the devisiveness of the different sections and no "white" equal.
They're all coppers, that's all that's needed.
Roger
Ross Miller
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#10
If they were all truly and genuinely treated equally then there would be no need for any of these associations, until this is the case then there is a need for groups such as this to argue for equality of treatment.
This is just a reflection of the broader society that the police (and all other state bodies for that matter) should be representative of.
What articles like this should be making us do is put pressure on Chief Constable to ensure that ALL their officers are treated the same way and that discrimination of any sort is not tolerated and rooted out of their forces.
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
#11
Yes but................humphy is right. It doesn't matter whether they think the God of Thunder, Thor, is really Danny La Rue returning at the Winter Solstice to make sure we all dress fabulously at Christmas, or that penguins can cure cancer, what does matter is that it first of all doesn't interfere with their job, as described in their job description and person specification, and that they all - ALL - have parity with each other when it comes to bonus and enhancements, and annual leave. Different belief systems can work in partnership. I had a colleague who was a GP in a small practice and he was also Catholic. He didn't deal with people seeking abortion advice but neither did he turn them away - he referred them to a colleague in the same practice who had different beliefs and would respond.
#12
Sorry Ross - we posted at the same time! You are right and I think I was saying the same thing - if true equality existed there would be no need to enforce it!!
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#13
This,to tie In another thread,Is why the BNP Is garnering the oxygen of publicity.LittleJohn Is In my opinion the worst of the reactionary press,a piece like this Is done delibrately to undermine the credibility of the Police.If you undermine the fabric of Society enough you cease to have a functioning Society.
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#14
I disagree John Heron.
The Police in my opinion have brought their own credibility into question by creating various sections within the Police Force.
There should only be one section and that's the Force itself, doesn't matter whether people are gay, black, muslim, English, Catholic or whatever.
I'm glad he wrote that, showing us how stupid people have become, by allowing these different sectors - what's next, Coppers over six foot, or perhaps those with big noses ?
Roger
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#15
Totally agree John, this rubbish just perpetuates the ignorance in middle England, fueling their conversations that generally end with the line "it's PC gone mad" the only outcome as you say undermining the idea of society.
Richard Littlejohn always comes out with this 'Now I'm not bigoted but...' rubbish, most of it is poorly conceived and fairly obvious in agenda. The Guardian summed him up well as the 'stupid perons's Jeremy Clarkson'
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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#16
Roger the police discredits itself not through allowing groups like this to be formed but by allowing the circumstances to prevail where such groups are necessary. It also discredits itself through its failure to accurately reflect and represent the communities they police and also by failing to control their officers or adequately investigate them (e.g. G20 protests)
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
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#17
Ross, what conditions are you talking about that prevail in the Police Force, that make it necessary to have a Pagan, Muslim, Christian or whatever section.
Other bodies (solicitors, teachers, the armed forces (please tell me they don't) plumbers, town clerks, chief executives etc.) don't need a Muslim or Christian section, or a gay, black, or lesbian section, so why does the Police ?
When people join up to the Police Force, they should be joining because they want to tell the world they want to help put society right and help catch criminals, not tell the world they are black, muslim gay or pagan - it's not an important part of the job, in fact it should play no part in the job, any job.
DT1 - by calling people stupid who agree with Littlejohn's columns, or that they come from Middle England, doesn't further your argument; I don't think I'm stupid, or from "Middle England" and some of what he'd written in that column, I do agree with.
Roger
#18
Littlejohn defeats his own objective by being so apoplectic! His purpose, ordained by a higher being, is to stir up the already prejudiced feelings (not thoughts, you see) of the readership, which has already established itself as open to having its prejudices confirmed by buying the paper in the first place! I am sure the same could be said of any newspaper...I read the Telegraph and the Guardian, probably because I can see all points of view!! Not always a comfortable position - the fence gets scratchy.
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#19
So by reading columns in a right-wing paper will show that I am already biased in favour of right-wing views and conversely,by reading say the Mirror or Guardian, I am automatically a left-winger ?
Who is this higher being Bern ?
I'm obviously being obtuse here, but not on purpose.
Roger
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#20
I like Littlejohn and agree with 80% of what he says. Good basic right wing common sense....a great antidote for the left wing liberal pc establishment. More power to his ellbow.