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re the request for York Street information:
York Street was very ancient.
Here is a 1940s photo :
"York Street.
In an earlier edition it was suggested that this road was named after Philip Yorke one time Town Clerk of Dover who became Lord Hardwicke and Lord Chancellor of England. Doubt has been cast upon the accuracy of this statement and the final "e" to the family's name lends it weight to the doubt. Originally the street was called Priory Lane. Then it became known as the Black Ditch because a stream there carried away the storm water from the Western Heights and the surface water from houses between the lane and Cowgate. A row of cottages there was known York Terrace long before York Street was adopted as the name for the whole length of the street. Many years ago a York Hotel stood towards the seaward end of Union Street and it seems probable that the name for both the hotel and the street derived from the fact that James Duke of York, later James II was Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports in 1683 and as such was very popular in Dover."
(from Streets and Lanes of Dover by Joyce Banks)
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Thank you Kath fascinating photos and so different to today
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and another, a fire in York Street about 1930, near Priory Place Junction:
York Street then was obviously a very narrow thoroughfare, with an assortment of buildings, private and commercial.
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Golly ....there has been a great deal of Dover, which has simply disappeared or flattened.....I know the War played a great part, but a good job was done afterwards to really obliterate the Town....so roads could go in and out of the Town from the Port.....
Many Thanks Kath....................ofcourse the Roman Town beneath is interesting....
Also, the Flint buildigs partial and full are lovely...............such character...........
They say a Town which buries its past.....deserves or has no future......
Rather apt at the present time....
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Yes, thanks Kath.
The turning on the left wouldn't be Worthington Street would it ? I thought I saw Steve Davies (The Accommodation Shop) peering out of the window.
Roger
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Bob says in the top photo, the turning on the left is NEW STREET.
In the bottom photo you can see the old ironmongers, Clouts on the opposite corner, now a restaurant, and the turning there to the right is Worthington Street.
The old streets could be said to be 'layered in history", couldn't they, and there must have been many old flint buildings in Dover, including houses, I guess.
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Charlie - perhaps it is good that some of the 'past is buried', at least in that way it is protected !
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Thanks Kath.
Roger
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following on from roger if you look closely at the picture in post 3 you can just spot vic at the back on the left having left the match before the final whistle.
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Gosh, a blast from the past there! Super pictures - thanks Kath.
This reminded me of yomping many times along this road with recalcitrant sister and cousins to take them to the old St Mary's school. I had to get to work and they used to play me up something chronic. There is doubtless much in the way of saxon and roman remains underneath given that the mansio is so close. I am not sure that the pre-1970's area was really worth preserving, it was a bit grotty.
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Any chance we could have a really good copy of the photo in post #3 Kath for our office in Worthington Street ? You can make out the corner of The Accommodation Shop !
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Been nice knowing you :)
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The Unitarian Church is visible, centre towards the bottom of pic, and the white building, centre of picture is perhaps the Cause is Altered? which they tried to save at this time of the dual-carriageway building.
Interesting picture.
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Greg - have asked Bob if he will print a good copy for you, will let you know when he has done it and he can arrange to bring it over.
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Thank you very much for such a photo.....
Any chance of a good copy?.....grief they wiped out a good proportion of the area....and it certainly was not for the best....IMO...
Most houses within walking distant to the sea....have gone....what a prize they would be now.....without the dual motorway......Completely finished the town..
Many thanks Kath, that would be great, we are always on the lookout for pictures if 21-27 Worthington Street as we own all those buildings :-)
Greg
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I mourn deeply the loss of this area. It was not a good move.
Beneath the new areas archaeological heritage is preserved. I was talking about this preservation to a good friend of ours who had grown up in the area and was showing us round. "They've preserved that," he said, "but what about my heritage?"
How right he was. I've never forgotten what he said, and it was a most valuable lesson.
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You can just see the Priory Hotel and the Station at the top,just before I joined the railway...sept 1973
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Been nice knowing you :)
