Ross Miller
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A my dear Codpiece I suspect that their viewpoints, opinions and pontifications are as valid as mine and yours...and probably no less ill-informed or subject to cognitive bias.
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Captain Haddock
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The Bishop wrote:How about you tell us your genuine view on the Grenfell Tower tragedy?
Much the same as on the Kings Cross fire from a few years ago, or Woolworths fire in Manchester or Bradford City stadium fire.
Absolute tragedy.
Building regulations need tightening up. That's about it.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Thank you for your honest opinion, which I respect. I personally would go further and add that the cladding exemplifies and exposes a whole range of issues including: improving a building cosmetically for the the affluent residents delight when a fraction of the 'improvement' money could have been used on a sprinkler system. The issue of re-housing the Grenfell residents is another difficult consequence. Grenfell remains an icon, a terrible icon, of austerity and the magic money tree myth.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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I would also add that it also shows up the failings of Local Authority Housing ALMOs (just look at East Kent Housing)
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The Bishop wrote:Thank you for your honest opinion, which I respect. I personally would go further and add that the cladding exemplifies and exposes a whole range of issues including: improving a building cosmetically for the the affluent residents delight when a fraction of the 'improvement' money could have been used on a sprinkler system. The issue of re-housing the Grenfell residents is another difficult consequence. Grenfell remains an icon, a terrible icon, of austerity and the magic money tree myth.
I really don't want to get tied down in this. Building standards and fire retardant materials are not my subject. Locally I'm very worried for example that in a new build in Deal last week three houses were destroyed after an initial fire which was external to the buildings. What standard of buildings are we providing for both private and public?
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/new-builds-destroyed-by-blaze-182012/
The talk of making them nice to look at for affluent residents is a red herring. Why should public housing look rubbish. The cladding was to improve thermal retention in the building as it has been used up and down the country, again in both public and private owned buildings.
'Sprinklers' are not a universal panacea and I await the results of the enquiry whether they would have helped in this specific case.
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Reginald Barrington
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"including: improving a building cosmetically for the the affluent residents delight"
What because the poor could not care less for aesthetically pleasing surroundings? Or because they're poor they don't matter!
You're letting your mask slip your Right Rev.!
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That is not what I inferred, Mr Barrington. My inference was about look at the building and not from the building. Have you ever heard me say that the poor don't matter? If you seriously think so, review all my posts on this forum.
On your nomenclature choice, if you wish not to refer to me as "Your Grace" then have the decency to refer to me as "your Left Rev."
Captain: you make a valid pint about thermal insulation but your sprinkler system dismissal would alarm most people and seriously concern the Fire and Rescue Services.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The last 15 posts have absolutely nothing to do with the thread but are not deleted as off topic, food for thought.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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You Grace I wrote 'Sprinklers' are not a universal panacea and I await the results of the enquiry whether they would have helped in this specific case'. I did NOT dismiss them.
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Captain Haddock wrote:You Grace I wrote 'Sprinklers' are not a universal panacea and I await the results of the enquiry whether they would have helped in this specific case'. I did NOT dismiss them.
I, too, await the report. Bigly.
(Bigly inserted to comfort Mr McSweeney1.)
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:The last 15 posts have absolutely nothing to do with the thread but are not deleted as off topic, food for thought.
As is post #629
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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The Bishop wrote:On your nomenclature choice, if you wish not to refer to me as "Your Grace" then have the decency to refer to me as "your Left Rev."
Your right reverend you are elevating your status, 'your grace' is reserved for archbishops! Maybe I'll go with m'lord
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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If Iran misbehaves further, Trump will let the Israelis off the leash. He will not get his own hands dirty. I don’t see it leading to war except a limited one between Israel and Iran.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I understand Boeing have a large order to supply Iran's national airline so it looks like a lot of American jobs are in jeopardy.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Top quality Foreign Secretary work by BoJo (or should that be Bozo?).
His phenomenal diplomacy forced the President's hand into sticking with the Iran deal. He has made the world a safer place and given us Ken's Cycles in London too.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Brian Dixon
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you will have to smuggle some in,you would make a killing.