howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater
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I refer y'all to my post #542 concerning a certain Mr Bolton (which contains this link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37989338).
The neo-cons have it.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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In out, in out, shake it all about, you do the hokey cokey and you turn around:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44263045'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins
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I have come to the conclusion that Trump is never satisfied unless he is headline news worldwide, therefor he says/posts/twitters whatever will reach his goal of reaching that headline.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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He is a capricious narcissist, of course, and likely to respond best to whichever faction within the administration, CIA and military most successfully massages his ego.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock
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Top trolling from the Trump!
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Brian Dixon
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great at what .
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John Buckley
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Brian Dixon wrote:great at what .
Perhaps looking after their own people Brian?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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John Buckley wrote:Perhaps looking after their own people Brian?
Or more to the point making their own people believe that they are being looked after and showing a pride, however misplaced, in their history, their country and their culture?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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650, your having a larf arnt you.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Not at all Brian, I realise that it’s not fashionable in these guilt ridden and PC days to put your own people and country first, but at least he’s having a go and good luck to him.
That particular strategy wouldn’t go down very well here of course, too many hand wringers and those with other personal invested interests etc., that unfortunately for some obscure reason seem to set our agenda.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:showing a pride, however misplaced, in their history...
Whoops!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44394156'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
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it looks to me that the only one calling for free trade is Mr Trump.
the EU has massive trade barriers to American goods and services.
canada and Mexico too.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Revealing pic:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44426442
Obviously it shows Merkel centre-stage, as it's from her team. But the two actually doing the talking here are the French banker and the US security chief. Trump's mouth is resolutely shut. I think this shows who's currently calling the shots in US policy. As for the UK, on the fringes, befitting its declining influence.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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G7 = G6 + 1.
Looks like Trump has just reverted to boorish idiot mode.
On the plus side "No tariffs, no barriers. That's the way it should be. And no subsidies. I even said, 'no tariffs'," the US president said, describing his meetings with fellow Group of Seven leaders as positive "on the need to have fair and reciprocal trade".
What's not to like?
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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no subsidies Bob ? even your farmer mates ?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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It's not that I disagree about policy with Trump supporters. It's that I know they don't give a shit about policy. There's no way to have a policy argument with people whose eyes are always looking up to the television for a cue from Dear Leader about what to say next.
As @JVLast once said, Trumpism is non-falsifiable. Whatever Trump does is right. There are no principled arguments to be had, because if Trump changes his mind or tweets something off the wall, Trumpers change their position immediately.
This would basically be a cult except for one thing: most Trumpers do not believe their own bullshit. Yes, some of them really are stupid enough to think Trump is a good man and all that crap, but most of them are only interested in Trump as a vehicle of social disruption.
Trump's smarter enablers see him as an equalizer, a way to put them on an equal footing with "elites" - oh, that word - who they think look down on them. Thing is, the elites *do* look down on them. For good reason. Most of Trump's sycophants are second raters, at best.
For them, Trump is their shot. They know he's, um, emotionally disordered, to use @Peter_Wehner's term, but they don't care: this is their one chance to grab the car keys and throw a kegger before Mom and Dad get back home. That makes talking with them about policy impossible.
So if it seems like I don't engage Trump's enablers on the merits of this or that Trump policy, it's because I can't take Trump's "policies" any more seriously than Trump or his minions do. It's either pure stupidity or pure careerism, and either way, it's a waste of time.
Yes, there are people in government trying to hold everything together. I salute them and hope they can keep the ship afloat. But they can't make policy either. They can issue directives and hope for the best, mostly hoping Trump doesn't notice and overrule them via tweet.
I think we'd all be less exhausted if the Trumpers would just admit that what they value from Trump is the social leveling effect he has, forcing intelligent people to respond endlessly to stupid comments and bad ideas, than continue pretending they care about "policy."
For myself, I am resigned that Trump will be president for as long as he's president. How it ends is up to the voters. But I don't see the need to engage in the cynical bullshittery of arguing policy with people who will change their minds on anything in nanoseconds.
And for the love of God, don't tell me about what Trump's Real 'Muricans in the Heartland want. I know what they want: more government action, including money, delivered with a smile, inflated respect, and pity, earned or not. Those are utterly pointless discussions too.
Trump is going to do what Trump is going to do. He's not liberal or conservative. It's all just the blurted thoughts of an angry, frightened man who won an office he didn't really want. We have to get through it, but we don't have to pretend we're arguing about real things.
Tom Nichols Author, Professor at @NavalWarCollege & @HarvardEXT. Former Senate aide. Cat guy. Curmudgeon. Views my own.
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