Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I WONDER WHAT BULL THEY WILL FEED US NOW
The EU is a fraud on ALL Europeans
The European Union seemed a good idea in the 1970's but it's gone very, very wrong. Brussels has become a bureaucratic monster, strangling us all in red tape and massive waste. It's not just Britain that wants out of the EU. Many other Europeans would vote to leave, if given the chance.
The EU costs Britain £50 million a day
It costs around £50 million a day to be a member of the EU but the benefits are few and hard to justify when we're already deep in debt. We're actually borrowing money to pay for membership! AND we're being asked to bail out the Eurozone, even though we aren't in the Euro.
The EU means lower wages
Open borders have brought cheap labour, lower wages and more unemployment to Britain. And increased crime. It's also bad - and very sad - for the countries which people leave behind. Many big businesses favour the EU because it means a lower wage bill. But small businesses don't benefit; they struggle to comply with endless EU regulations and red tape.
We have no control over immigration
Last year we had more arrivals than ever before (239,000 - that we know of!). Almost 500 million EU citizens are entitled to work, live and claim benefits in the UK. Britain no longer has control over her borders. This is driving unemployment up and wages down. It is causing enormous strains on housing, schools and hospitals. Britain's borders are now effectively North Africa, Russia and Turkey; not the White Cliffs of Dover.
The 1975 referendum was a trick
Britain voted 'yes' for a 'Common Market' in the 1975 referendum but it was a trick. People had no idea they were voting for the loss of British Sovereignty and a vast bureaucracy in Brussels, now making over 70% of our laws. British MPs have little say on many issues. Unelected Brussels Commissioners have much more power than our own MPs. And of the 27 EU Commissioners, at least eight are ex-Communists.
Don't be fooled; it's a Lib Lab Con
Conservatives, Labour and the LibDems are still fully behind this deceit. Click the link below to see David Cameron telling you all about the problems of the EU in June 2009 and why you needed to vote Conservative for a referendum. It was a stunning lie. On the 24th of October 2011, British Government whips bullied MPs to vote against a referendum, demanded by the public, in a 100,000 signature petition. Labour and LibDems followed suit.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I agree with 'your' first assertion Keith, mostly. There is a deep fault in many arguments concerning the EU, that of arguing from the standpoint of 'us' verses 'them'. People all across the EU may indeed hanker for change, but I doubt that there is much pressure to leave the EU.
I expect what you have written is straight from UKIP HQ. So, hardly worth challenging.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith
2 points.
A) can you credit your sources, it looks like a ukip press release as tom says?
B) we voted for the eec, it then changed to ec and then eu without any formal announcement.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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erm where?
Brian Dixon
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works for me.but its all utopia howard.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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One big inconvenience with the demand for an EU referendum, is that a handful of pro-EU supporters will stand up and announce to the Media: "if we leave the EU, all trade will stop, we will become isolated, we will suffer economic catastrophe".
Do you see the lie here?
Those in favour of Britain leaving the EU never preach an end of trade with European countries.
It is only a handful of pro-EU supporters who keep making this threat, THEM, not US!
They know full well it is a lie, that trade with Europe would not break down, and that we would not step into economic catastrophe by departing from the EU.
The likes of Heseltine, Lord Mandleson and Ken Clark simply know that their EU agenda from times past have led our Country into sheer bankruptcy, with a 22% youth unemployment rate, minimum wages that can't compete with high rents and mortgages caused by mass immigration, and a situation where we would need to build 1 million more houses every 5 years just to accommodate the increased population.
What they are practically saying is: "we've placed Britain in a sheer mess, let us continue keeping Britain in this mess, and keep deepening the dept of the mess, till Britain collapses completely".
When we do have an EU in/out referendum, the above three jokers will be banging the same bar: "all trade will cease, it will be the end".
Yes, it will be the end, the ugly joke will end!
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Keep flying the Union Jack Alexander !
Never give up...
SWWood- Location: Dover
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Alexander, of course trade with Europe will not stop if we leave the EU. It will, however, mean our trade with Europe will be more expensive, as we will no longer be in the Single Market.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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So sw wood
Are you saying that all them east European trucks will be of our roads because we will not be able to buy there goods any more ??
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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incorrect sw we are nett importers so that no duties or taxes or duties would be levied on us.
SWWood- Location: Dover
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OK. I stand corrected. I wrongly assumed that leaving the common market would have consequences.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Stuart, for trade to be more expensive, this could only happen if customs duties were imposed.
Currently, most trade between us and European EU countries is free of import duty.
If duty were imposed reciprocally, only those products imported/exported between us and the EU would become more expensive accordingly, but more money would enter the Treasury (both ours and theirs).
Import duties could be a simple 1%, or 5%, or 10%, or 100% .... from very little to a very lot.
So if the State got more revenue through import duties on imported EU products, we would not lose out, as the State could impose less taxation on other things, be it petrol, electricity, gas, income tax...
So as a Country we would not be net losers. Nor would the EU for the same reason.
However, leaving the EU does not necessarily mean we and the EU would introduce import duties towards each others products, We most probably wouldn't, not least because western European wages are the same as ours, and there is no risk of unfair competition such as with Chinese products, which are produced at a fractional wage compared to ours or European wages.
As I see it, a very small number of hard-core pro EU supporters in Parliament would like to make believe that a trade war would break out between Britain and the EU countries once we left, with high import duties being imposed, and factories closing down (for some reason only in Britain and not in Europe), mass unemployment (for some reason only in Britain not Europe), hyper inflation (only in the UK not Europe), bank crashes (here and not there in Europe)...
A five year old child could suss out the drivel coming from these few compromised politicians and estimate that it is just very cheap and nasty propaganda to bolster their agenda.
And why?
Because this handful of fruitcakes has led us into the EU catastrophe and guided us through all the tours and phases of economic self-destruction that has hit us and Europe equally.
Just think of the names: Heseltine, Lord Mandelson and Ken Clark, and you should realise that a tree is recognisable by its fruit.
Don't expect cherries to come forth from a thistle-tree, Stuart.
These are failed Europhiles who know that they can boast of our 22% youth unemployment as much as of Greece's and Spains 58% youth unemployment.
They are the same sort of people as those who got voted out in Greece, where each day unemployment goes up by 1,000 numbers, according to Al Jazeera.
Yes, because the EU won't tell you these figures, Stuart, and won't show you what misery is currently going on in Greece.
Suffice it to know what we have in our own Home Country as not to believe these failed Euro-politicians who have come back to open their mouths in front of the Press, these failed relics of the past!
SWWood- Location: Dover
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Alexander, I am grateful for the economics master class. As I stated in my previous post, I was under the (obviously mistaken) impression that the Single Market had economic benefits to the UK economy. Thankfully, Howard, Keith and yourself have showed me the error in my thinking. I am pleased that leaving the single market will have so few negative consequences for our economy. I must admit my surprise that, for example, Germany and France will not impose tariffs on exports from the UK , even if those goods are produced more cheaply in this country by companies not constrained by the EU regulations so many people complain about (the work-time directive for example). But as I have said, I now understand I am wrong.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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I fear that Mr or Mrs Wood's post might go over the heads of 1 or 2
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The single market is obviously of benefit but that is only a small part of the EU package.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Surely Dave will say that he/it/they/the UK/successive Governments were wrong to drive to get us out of the EU, more likely he will say that 'we' were wrong to take it that way. That we are, and always have been, committed supporters and firm friends of the marvellous EU.
He will then apologise for the necessity of putting us all right. Yes, here and there, he will say, there are wrinkles that need to be ironed-out, but the conversation that needs to be had is one of cosy fire-side chat amongst friends. A postprandial, chuckle-some, back-slapping new-deal for all, and this can only be done by remaining firmly within the EU.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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We 'Briton have given the EU £354 billion £££££
We got back £165 billon
This doesn't include the price of complying with all the EU regulation
We are running a £55 billon trade deficit with Europe. Theirs no way they will stop trading with the UK or impose restriction on us,
Can you imagine what this country's Infrastructure would have been like, if we had
Invested the £354 billion in the UK ?
This is money that comes out of your pockets,
This money is building a subway system in Poland ,and totally renewing the sewerage system in Istanbul ,and turkeys not even in the EU yet
The EU accounts haven't been sighed of in 18 years because of all the thieving
Some of the fools on this site will try to tell you that EU membership is good for the uk ,
But the facts are all there for anybody to see £354 billion is big money that would have dun a lot for this country
Your schools hospitals and road are crumbling because these politicians have spunked your money on the EU
Remember that next time your swerving round a Pothole
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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would you please credit your source keith, this is plagiarism otherwise.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Will dithering Dave still leave us all guessing where he stands on Europe after his speech
in Holland on Friday ? where it is understood he will undergo training how to use all his fingers and
toes to plug all the holes in his `dyke` of a Party..............
