Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Thought you was the only one that knew everything
That is abuse.
Come on, you say its interesting that I don't know where to start:
Where would you start.
Try multiple choice
A I partly agree
B There's different views here
C The debate will go on.
Keith Sansum1
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A doesn't make sense
b correct
c correct
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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There is nothing wrong with the NHS, in the same way that guns don't kill.
What is going awry is that the competitiveness of Political Partys that, in their respective efforts to steal a march on one another, are blind to the fact that they are each & all being egged on by lobbyists with one single objective:to bring down the NHS and feed off the carcase.
There is no shortage of wise counsel within the medical professions, but their voice is but a whisper compared to the ear-hogging screams of those whose interests are more personal than patient centred.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The NHS is failing to provide the levels of care, outcomes and service obtained in many other comparible countries and yet you say there is nothing wrong with it Tom.
It is your complacency and the way some people treat the NHS as untouchable that locks the people in this country into an increasingly second rate health system.
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Report into 14 NHS hospitals rejects claims that poor care killed thousands
"NHS medical director says it is meaningless to use mortality indicators to quantify actual numbers of avoidable deaths"
"...The review by the NHS medical director, Prof Sir Bruce Keogh, will dismiss the two mortality indicators that were used to justify the probe into the 14, which was launched on the day Robert Francis QC published his damning report into the Mid-Staffordshire care scandal.
Keogh's report will say: "However tempting it may be, it is clinically meaningless and academically reckless to use such statistical measures to quantify actual numbers of avoidable deaths."..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jul/16/report-nhs-hospitals-claims-care Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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We are going full circle
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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How many more .........the mind boggles......
.Serious Fraud Office chief who worked at home spent £100,000 on travel costs
Phillippa Williamson was allowed to run up bill in deal criticised as 'quite astounding' by MPs
Taxpayers spent £100,000 in travel and hotel costs for the former head of the Serious Fraud
Office (SFO) after she was allowed a "quite astounding" deal enabling her to work part of the
week from the Lake District, MPs said in a report.
Phillippa Williamson also received a pension top-up of more than £400,000, even though the
arrangement had not been approved by Civil Service chiefs.
In a stinging report published today by the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee
(PAC), MPs berate the SFO for presiding over a "catalogue of errors and poor judgement" in
drawing up terms for senior staff. Ms Williamson, who stepped down as its chief executive in
2012 after four years, was responsible for the agency's day-to-day operation.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The saga continues.............its almost as bad as Tax Avoidance costs....
Water companies told to stop siphoning off cash to foreign owners
Former head of Ofwat lambasts privatised firms for paying excessive dividends
Britain's privatised water companies have been allowed to get away with paying "excessive
dividends" to their foreign owners at the expense of customers and the taxpayer, the industry's
former regulator warns today.
In a damning indictment at the state of the industry he once oversaw Sir Ian Byatt, former
director-general of Ofwat, said shareholder returns of between 20 and 30 per cent a year
meant some companies were no longer able fund vital projects.
And he called for Ofwat to urgently set limits on dividends and force water companies to cut
consumer bills if they want to breach them.
DT1- Location: Dover
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#3111 haha. Yes, Deal High St. is one thing, but having me pop up halfway through your Sunday morning golf is another!
#3112 Barry this returns me to my point of what we value. Our time in Afganistan has not been particularly 'efficient' and our troops are not as well equipped as other nations. All of the bureaucracy, and waste also exists in the MoD, I even know Pen pushers there myself! So then the answer must be, when we look to improving our national security, Privatisation!
I know of course that this idea will insense you (as it does me). Each of the valid arguments used to defend defence could easily be adapted to defending health, after all (without getting too Maslovian) our safety and health are of little value without one and other.
A soldier dies in action (a tragedy linked to warfare) and we look at numbers of troops, equipment and funding.
A patient dies in a hospital (a tragedy linked to being ill) and we cry "this wouldn't happen in the hands of the private sector!"
Like I say it is what you choose to value. I personally value both very much and using words such 'efficiency' really misses the point. War isn't measurable in terms of input and output and nor is making people well.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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A number of interesting posts of course most posters value the NHS and many believe its in need of reform
some more drastic than others.
My sticking point would be to sell it out to private hands
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Good morning Darren, you can put your binoculars and tracking device away - I'm at work.
Your post highlights the frustrations most of us feel, an obvious lack of money to spend by the govt due entirely to govt mismanagement. Barry is a military man, he'll know far more than me the cost of our wars in Iraq, Bosnia, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, Lybia etc etc and I'm talking monetary not loss of life. My own view is we have a "Defence" Secretary as opposed to what seems to be an "Attack " or "Interfering" Secretary.
The NHS appears to be sacrosanct, other countries have nothing like the same beauraucratic machine yet when I travel abroad I don't see bodies lying in the street or queues at A&E with car crash victims waving credit cards.
As usual tribalism is the problem, check today's front page headlines, one lot blaming the other.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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valid point about the defence secretary david.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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In politics sadly it does get bogged down
but clearly, not many oppose reform
its how you reform,and how far you want to lose its identity as some may do
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DT1- Location: Dover
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Travelling abroad is not quite the same as relying on a system. It has been a while since I last checked but I would be interested to see a comparison of investment by countries to health systems.
In terms of ministers and titles, Jeremy Hunt is supposedly 'Health' secretary. What a joke this man is.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100179258/jeremy-hunt-health-secretary-thinks-homeopathy-works/Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Re:#3136
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT DIRECTORATE GENERAL FOR RESEARCH WORKING PAPER
HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS IN THE EU
A COMPARATIVE STUDY
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/workingpapers/saco/pdf/101_en.pdf
Totem of the people
"Janet Daley and her colleagues at the Daily Telegraph use the words 'talisman' and 'totem', to imply that the British majority, the supporters of the NHS, are followers of a primitive belief system which lies beyond rational understanding. They are not the first to make such an analogy. Nigel Lawson, who was Chancellor of the Exchequer under Margaret Thatcher, famously remarked in his memoirs:
"The National Health Service is the closest thing the English have to a religion, with those who practise in it regarding themselves as a priesthood." ..."
http://21stcenturysocialism.com/article/totem_of_the_people_01684.html
International Healthcare Comparisons
"The 'On-call' Facility for International Healthcare Comparisons provides timely, targeted, relevant and concise information on a range of health policy themes from Europe, Australia and New Zealand to inform health policy developments in England.
Our work focuses on comparative analysis to facilitate learning from the experience of other health systems as an input to policy development by the Department of Health.
We respond to specific requests for information on international experience in areas ranging from health sector capacity planning to activity-based financing of hospitals. The themes we work on are selected in close consultation with the Department of Health. We provide in-depth analyses and rapid-response-type briefings based on data provided by the International Healthcare Comparisons Network."
http://www.international-comparisons.org.uk/Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Revealed: The great outsourcing scandal as firms 'cut corners' to cream profits off public
Private firms 'gaming' £100bn of government services, says think-tank
Private companies providing public services are routinely "gaming the system" to make money
for their shareholders at the expense of the taxpayer, a major new study finds today.
An analysis of the Government's controversial £100bn "outsourcing" programmes, such as its
scheme to help the unemployed back into work, found private firms "creaming off" easy cases
where they could make profits while "parking" problematic ones.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Courtesy Guardian...................
Bernie Ecclestone bribery charge puts Formula One reign in doubt
German indictment over €44m payment to banker and timing of court case could again delay
$12bn flotation of F1
Bernie Ecclestone was indicted by German prosecutors following his payment of $44m to
Gerhard Gribkowsky of Bayern Landesbank. Photograph: Mark Thompson/Getty
The future of Bernie Ecclestone in Formula One has been thrown into doubt after the sport's
chief executive and commercial rights holder was charged with bribing a German banker.
Ecclestone, who will be 83 in October, announced on Wednesday that he had been indicted by
German prosecutors
following his payment of $44m (£29m) to Gerhard Gribkowsky of Bayern Landesbank to smooth
the sale of a 47% stake in the sport to its current owners, the private equity company CVC
Capital Partners, in 2006.
Last year Gribkowsky was jailed for eight and a half years for not paying tax on the payments,
breach of trust towards his former employers and being in receipt of corrupt payments from Ecclestone.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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one rule for them#
another for us
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