howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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My view is that Charlie safe for the foreseeable future but Dover is on the hit list. Will Labour make the same mistake in having an all woman short list that they drew up for 2015?
https://labourlist.org/2017/09/revealed-the-key-marginals-where-labour-will-pick-candidates-before-christmas/Jan Higgins
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Labour should already have lined a candidate up so people get to know him or her. Preferably not a stranger drafted in from another part of the country but someone who really knows this area and its needs.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Should have been done soon after the last General Election, as it is every issue that has come up since i.e the Banksy, A20 problems, dredging of the Goodwin Sands, Stagecoach bus changes, day one of Brexit etc Charlie has gained mass publicity whilst there is no response from the Labour candidate as there isn't one.
Captain Haddock
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Interesting (literally) Long Read from the Grauniad here on how Jezza 'won' the election, which he lost!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/22/the-inside-story-of-labours-election-shock-jeremy-corbyn"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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By all accounts Dover will have an all women short list, I don't know if that is a local, regional or national decision but certainly one that will please Charlie.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Very interesting and thought out article but there is no suggestion in it that Labour won, only that they didn't get wiped out.
What would the Monitoring Officer have to say about this Bob?
Keith Sansum1
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Hi Howard
lots of labour members/supporters have contacted me and it appears labour is going down the all women short list again.
I still feel this is wrong for any woman wanting the position, they wouldnt have got there through ability but just because they happen to be a woman.
Also excludes a number of good candidates just because there not a woman.
Charlie will be loving it
nothing like the local party jumping to the national labour party tunes .
when will they learn????
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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No lessons learned indeed Keef, after the disastrous candidate of 2015 one would think that the local party would not have excluded 50% of potential candidates bearing in mind that head office sees the seat as winnable. Hopefully any female hopefuls will object to being patronised and not apply in the first place.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Well lets just go back to 2015, there as no selection, and ok it could be said Labour was caught on the hop at the surprize election, but they now have time for an all members selection
To exclude anyone is open suicide.
Interesting enough the chair of the local party wants to see labour working in the communities today was a community event in pencester but I couldn't find the labour stall.
Charlie will be rubbing his hands
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It was this year that was all panic Keef and the list was open to all. It must have been 2012/3 when the all woman list was brought in for the 2015 election.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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your correct howard
but labour hasnt learnt excluding anyone just turns people off
last time we had unknowns or woman only shortlists locals in priory were telling me they voted labour all there life but wont support women only selections
ands a lot of these were women that ere telling me
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Fortunately, it being 2017, candidates merely have to 'identify as female' under Labour Party rules.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:Fortunately, it being 2017, candidates merely have to 'identify as female' under Labour Party rules.
I'm citing that comment because I don't like the cut of your jib, Oh Captain, my Captain.
Labour Central office are imposing all female candidate nominations of certain Constituency Labour Parties around the country. Whilst it seems like "pc gone mad" the current male/female balance of the Parliamentary Labour Party does not represent the broadly 50/50 male/female balance around the country. Personally speaking, if they have the right political values, I will back them all the way.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The Bishop wrote:Labour Central office are imposing all female candidate nominations of certain Constituency Labour Parties around the country. Whilst it seems like "pc gone mad" the current male/female balance of the Parliamentary Labour Party does not represent the broadly 50/50 male/female balance around the country. Personally speaking, if they have the right political values, I will back them all the way.
Dodged the issue nicely Your Grace, were you similarly vague on the subject of female bishops?
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Female bishops? What makes you think I am not a female Bishop, Mr McSweeney1?
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The Bishop wrote:Female bishops? What makes you think I am not a female Bishop, Mr McSweeney1?
Interesting thought and it would make choir boys feel less nervous.
Button
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The male/female balance of the PLP does not represent the male/female balance of the country (electorate?) at large; so what? I must be missing the point here. If you have a single MP, like, oh I dunno, UKIP had, which gender should that MP be - it doesn't matter, it should be female, it should be that of the majority of the electorate, or it should be that of the majority of the registered party members?
(Not my real name.)
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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In Kent, the breastfeeding support service is under threat. I haven't heard our Charlie, Craig McK, Damian G, Damian C or indeed Paul Carter representing that 50% of Kent.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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50% of the Kent population might be female but I wonder what % need the help, definitely not the young or the old or those who choose to bottle feed or do not even have a baby.
Maybe the threat is justified, the money could be better used to help the many in real need of practical help with their serious everyday problems.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The Bishop wrote:In Kent, the breastfeeding support service is under threat. I haven't heard our Charlie, Craig McK, Damian G, Damian C or indeed Paul Carter representing that 50% of Kent.
So you are looking for pressure on local male MPs to support breast feeding services i.e. rearranging the traditional cheerful builder's cry to 'get your lads out for the tits?'
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson