howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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After the Windrush scandal it will be interesting to see they handle this one. The £30, 000 earnings threshold means that nurses we desperately need will be about 7 grand short of coming here and many jobs for graduates pay under the threshold.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/immigration-white-paper-theresa-may-brexit-sajid-javid-migration-visas-a8697851.htmlCaptain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,070
The reason that £30,000 has been chosen is because research from the Migration Advisory Panel shows that (on average) it is only migrants earning over this threshold who actually contribute more to society than they take out.
We also have plenty of nurses and midwives. They are just not working very efficiently.
And what Windrush 'scandal'? A small group of people post 1973 did not get round to regularising their immigration position in spite of extensive information campaigns by the Home Office over the past 40 odd years?
It's about as useless an excuse as having an unlicensed TV after TV licenses become obligatory or an uninsured car after car insurance becomes obligatory. It's a waste of time saying 'but I was legal in the past'. Tough.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Forgetful people should be punished you are right Bob, a bit like someone here putting up articles behind a paywall time and time again. The last post in the "Camping in Calais" thread is your latest example.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Rectified?
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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errrrrrrrr bob we are short of nurses, 30000 to be correct.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Brian Dixon wrote:errrrrrrrr bob we are short of nurses, 30000 to be correct.
........... and teachers, and police, and engineers, and curry cooks, and fruit pickers, and builders etc etc
Rubbish. See #2.
Is there actually any professional/worker we are not apparently 'short' of?
Let's just let anyone in?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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look at the nhs recruitment page, its frightening how short of nurses we are bob.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Having had to visit a few hospitals recently they seemed absolutely full of them with very few doing anything .
We've got loads per head of population.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Yes, Cap'n. Once again, you're right and all the experts are wrong.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,875
It never ceases to amaze me how some supposedly intelligent people are so adept at giving the impression they are completely blinkered about people's needs and how they really live.
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Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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I spent a few months earlier this year visiting a relative in hospital and agree with Bob, there were plenty of nurses about seemingly doing absolutely nothing. The NHS is in desperate need of a complete overhaul, the more money thrown at it the more disorganised it seems to get.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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you have to remember nearly half of the nurses you saw where from eu,and most of them have gone back to there respective countrys in the eu...
Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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Some were Eastern European, some Asian but mostly British. Some European s may have gone home and others will have arrived to replace them.....they will still be doing not very much.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
so whats your answer then paul.
Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
- Posts: 393
1. Go back to basics and provide only essential services.
2. Non essential services such as cosmetic surgery, post op check ups and some x- ray's only provided privately and covered by individual insurance policies.
3. Individuals pay for entry to A&E, say £ 100 which will be refunded in most cases but not for non preventable accidents.
4. Reintroduce Matron's to each hospital ward.
5. Doctors either work in the NHS or private sector. Not both.
6. Increase Dental surgery fees.
7. Set up Nursing colleges similar to police colleges.
8. Bring back cleaning services in house.
9. Create revenue making services especially in research and development which we are really good at.
10. Centralise procurement of drugs, driving the prices down. Doctors will no longer choose which brand of drugs they can prescribe.
11. Introduce fees for people who do not turn up for GP appointment s or are time wasters.
12. GP's provide evening and Saturday surgeries.
13. All GP Reception staff go on customer services courses!
That'll do for a start!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
right paul the only ones I agree with are.4,7,8,10,12 and 13.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Paul M wrote:1. Go back to basics and provide only essential services.
2. Non essential services such as cosmetic surgery, post op check ups and some x- ray's only provided privately and covered by individual insurance policies.
3. Individuals pay for entry to A&E, say £ 100 which will be refunded in most cases but not for non preventable accidents.
4. Reintroduce Matron's to each hospital ward.
5. Doctors either work in the NHS or private sector. Not both.
6. Increase Dental surgery fees.
7. Set up Nursing colleges similar to police colleges.
8. Bring back cleaning services in house.
9. Create revenue making services especially in research and development which we are really good at.
10. Centralise procurement of drugs, driving the prices down. Doctors will no longer choose which brand of drugs they can prescribe.
11. Introduce fees for people who do not turn up for GP appointment s or are time wasters.
12. GP's provide evening and Saturday surgeries.
13. All GP Reception staff go on customer services courses!
That'll do for a start!
Having studied the take away menu I will order an 8,10, 11 and 12 but won't go for any side dishes.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,875
All I can say is thank goodness Paul is not in charge of the NHS as he obviously wants us all to have private insurance to pay for nearly everything. Health only for those who can afford it seems to be his way forward, rather like the USA.
Those with severe deformities who would no longer to get cosmetic surgery was where he lost me never mind his other suggestions.
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Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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Jan, I didn't say that. I was thinking more on the lines of breast enlargement, teeth straightening sort of surgery.
My main point is that we need to change the way we think about how the NHS delivers and if we don't then things will only get worse and eventually none of the things we take for granted will be affordable.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,070
Jan Higgins wrote:Health only for those who can afford it seems to be his way forward, rather like the USA.
Why does everyone always cite the USA, the anomaly in Health Care?
To the best of my knowledge no country has been stupid enough to set up a system modelled on our wonderful (sic) NHS.
Most countries have universal health insurance which seems to work perfectly well.
Just look at our performance on international comparisons. Next to last on 'Health Care Outcomes' i.e. actually making you 'better', second to last on Mortality Amenable to Health Care i.e. stopping you dying. Pathetic.
https://interactives.commonwealthfund.org/2017/july/mirror-mirror/"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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