Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
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Ironic John ,Pauline's son Simon's seat.
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Keith Bibby wrote:Martin you're a Labour party activist
Another one without a name
Labour party voter Keith, no more than that.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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the winner here got 136 less than the rest john.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:the winner here got 136 less than the rest john.
the winner got more than the second place, is that not enough?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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merely picking up on party hype martin, in most cases winners do not get 51% of the vote.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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You are right Howard but that is the system, the largest party in the last election got 36% of the votes.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,870
Isn't it a shame about some forum members priorities 26 comments about Sandwich Town Council election that has little if any affect on our town and only a few on the amazing street art that is actually beneficial to and in Dover.
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Guest 904- Registered: 21 Mar 2013
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Jan Higgins wrote:Isn't it a shame about some forum members priorities 26 comments about Sandwich Town Council election that has little if any affect on our town and only a few on the amazing street art that is actually beneficial to and in Dover.
Couldn't agree more Jan - poor sod is still down there catching hyperthermia for charity
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Jan Higgins wrote:Isn't it a shame about some forum members priorities 26 comments about Sandwich Town Council election that has little if any affect on our town and only a few on the amazing street art that is actually beneficial to and in Dover.
How shallow we are, still more ammo to have a pop at us on the Dover Locals!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i always thought this was a dover district rather than town forum. just in the last week alone we have discussions on what is planned at betteshanger, changes at the pfizer site, the shepherdswell turn off, drilling at 3 outlying villages, a drama production in deal - that's just off the top of my head.
just to clarify things i wasn't referring to reg when i mentioned the shepherdswell turn off.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Are you sure Howard ??
Roger
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
@ roger and howard.
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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I helped to leaflet the ward on Wednesday with UKIP Thanet South..There were 6 of us out and we had a good response..We saw 4 Tories out leafleting as well, one of the Tories included DDC Cllr Pip Russell, they did not look very happy...We also saw One Libdem out leafleting as well....I understand the Labour party blitzed the ward with bussed in supporters over the weekend..Remarkable really, the election was, for only a Town Councillor...The ward was Sandwich South,it included areas like St Barts Road, with some social housing and Dover Road with large detached houses,in other words, the ward is a mixture of social groups..The Labour Party did well but UKIP did really well..It was the first time,UKIP stood in the Ward...Good result for both Parties..It seemed that the LibDem vote collapsed, with the Lib Dems going over to Labour...UKIPs' vote came from the Tories and some from Labour..I was talking to a ex Labour Party member in St. Barts Road,who said for the first time he will vote UKIP...In conclusion,the election in Sandwich could be a template for the General Election in 2015....I am sure Laura Sandys M.P. for Thanet will lose her seat in 2015 and the LibDems nationally will disappear..Troubled times ahead for the Tories and LibDems..
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
oh dear david Cameron is having kittens.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Earlier Barry wrote this:
"So, traditional Tory voters, watch out - vote UKIP and get Labour."
Like he (or anybody else) can tell the difference? So what he's saying now is don't vote with your heart or after examination of the issues at hand but put your cross on the second best option.
Strange.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,915
Its true to say9as iv been saying for some time) the tories are falling apart
the lib dems sold there soul very early on and won't be forgiven
If UKIP is so popular it should win these seats they didnt
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John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
You`ve got it in one of course Philip! I think that we can expect that the "Vote UKIP and get Labour" mantra will no doubt increase ten fold on the run up to the next general election. This just proves, however, that the conservatives are becoming more desperate and more worried than ever before about UKIP`s rise and rather than put forward any policies that will actually endear them to the electorate this is just about the limit of their imagination.
Make no mistake, the real reason that the conservatives will be unlikely to win the next general election will not be down to the UKIP "clowns and racists" having the temerity to pinch "their" votes, but simply because they have a leader in Cameron who is clearly not fit for purpose. It is also a party that is clearly out of touch with the electorate at all levels. Like the previous labour shambles of a government who failed to "listen to the people", the tories too, quite rightly, will pay the price for failing in their duty to represent and put in place the wishes of the electorate.
If in fact there is an element of a "protest" vote in UKIP`s recent success`s then it just proves that there are a lot of people unhappy with what we have at the moment as an excuse of a government. It should be fully understood that UKIP is not the party it was three or so years ago. If the conservatives were worried back then, they now have every right to be even more worried. Compared with the previous situation UKIP are now an established party, getting stronger every week with an increased membership. In addition to this they now have the support of national newspapers and are in the media on a daily basis. Those people who supposedly only voted for UKIP initially as a "protest" may well now become familiar and used to the idea and continue to vote in the future in the same manner.
On the grand scale of things, whilst the election result in Sandwich could be considered to be fairly insignificant, it does nevertheless actually prove that along with other previous by-election results, UKIP will be a prominent force at the next general election.
Cameron of course, in a stroke, could virtually nullify the UKIP threat to his party by giving us a referendum on our EU membership prior to the next election. He won`t do that however because he knows full well what the result would be and that is not the sort of result that is acceptable to a europhile. So rather than concede to the wishes of the majority in a democratic manner, he is quite willing to sacrifice his own party`s success through an act of misguided stubbornness. He also knows, without doubt, that any meaningful renegotiation of powers etc., from the EU is just not going to happen. We know that and he knows that, so why wait for the "promised" referendum? One can only conclude that he hopes the problem magically disappears or can fob us off with a pretence of something resembling a repatriation of powers that his masters in Brussels allow him to have, but which of course will actually be totally insignificant and meaningless!
So there you have it, please don`t blame UKIP for the demise of the conservative party as a functioning government, blame Cameron for his stupid intransigence!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,915
John
Your view on the conservative party i believe to be correct and agree with,
but there are many more issues and not just the EU that will bring down this cobbled together lot.
We then move to, what next?
well, if you look at the situation in an unbiased manner, UKIP without a doubt in the local elections did far better than expected
taking a seat in leafy Tunbridge Wells Tory heartland i'm sure will have the tories looking over there shoulder.
They also took seats off the Labour party
They did a good leaflet on allowances and how they would sort it out if they get any cllrs elected,
unfortunatly, like the lib dems, once elected Ukip then as a first move had its leader propose that the UKIP cllrs should get even higher allowances!!!!!
But before we move away from the local elections, mention should also be made of another breakthrough, that being the Hythe seat, where the sitting conservative cllr for 20/30 years lost his seat to the greens.
The Issue now is can UKIP and the greens sustain the breakthrough.
So Sandwich was a tester, I suspect Labour didn't expect to do as well as it did, but UKIP needs to be picking up these seats if it's serious about breaking through on the big boys in Westminster.
I see support for UKIP waining now, like other protest parties it could well be the case that Tories across the country gave the govt a bloody nose, but when it comes to the general election, these same tories would be unwilling to take that further step, and instead like in the past, return to the fold.
2015 will be interesting just to see how it all pans out
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Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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John B, your post is a good analysis of current politics and your magic must of worked on Keith S too..Keith S, did you really write that post?A part from the waffle in the middle,it was quite reasonable...
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,915
Its only reasonable because I said something nice about UKIP
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