Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Now I understand why some job advertisements for interns in the HofC offered 'first hand job experience'.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Both main party leaders are condemning the predatory behaviour of some MPs in the HOC and say that it has been happening for some time, so why do they wait until now to speak out?
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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This behaviour has been going on for hundreds of years it is only now that it is seen as the right thing to do is condemn the perpetrators. I suspect most women have had inappropriate comments made to them but back then we used to either ignore or laugh at them.
Even though I was well into my late sixties I received what would now be seen as physical sexual abuse by someone who, far too often to be accidental, used to push past and brush against my breasts, I used to laugh it off.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Having spoken to lots of MPs I think that half the problem is that many can't tell 'an arse from an elbow'.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
shark saddles and left handed screwdrivers come to mind, all so being sent to the iron mongers for a long weight/
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph.
Theresa May and parliamentary authorities were warned six months ago that more needed to be done to protect MPs’ staff against abuse, the Telegraph can reveal.An official report published in March recommended creating an independent human resources service for staff after hearing warnings from witnesses that MPs were getting away with inappropriate behaviour “time and again”.
The fact that the report does not appear to have been acted on is likely to raise questions over why warnings were not heeded as a Westminster harassment scandal continues to grow.
It came as Mrs May's official spokesman refused to say whether she is "confident" that members of her Cabinet have not committed sexual "misdemeanors".The Prime Minister's spokesman denied that she had been shown a dossier by her whips of detailing allegations of sexual harassment by ministers and MPs.However, the spokesman refused to deny that she had spoken about specific allegations of sexual harassment with her whips.
The House of Commons Administration Committee recommended in its report earlier this year that “members’ staff should be able to access support on day-to-day HR matters independent of their Member… and independent advice on handling employment issues before they can escalate to full grievances”.
It also called for the authorities to “explore the development of a centralised HR support service for Members’ staff, which could be funded jointly by the House and the parties”.The recommendations were made after Georgina Kester, the chairwoman of the Members’ and Peers’ Staff Association (MAPSA) gave oral evidence to the committee in November which warned of the issues faced by some staff.She said workers had “no recourse” if they were employed by a so-called “stapler thrower” MP. She said: “If your boss is the one throwing the stapler at your head, who do you go to? There is no HR for staff—none whatsoever—and it is very concerning that it still has not been addressed.
“In light of press coverage and things that have come out over the past years, still there is no progress being made with that. We would strongly encourage it.”
Ms Kester said having “nobody to go to” meant young staffers just “slink away with your tail between your legs, because you don’t want to get a reputation as a troublemaker”.
She said: “It is a small community and people do talk. They leave with a horrible experience and a nasty taste in their mouth, and the Member gets away with it, time and again, because nobody will stand up and say, ‘do you know what, there is a problem there’.”
A MAPSA spokesman said on Monday: "MAPSA gave evidence to the Administration Committee last November calling for a formal, cross-party HR/grievance procedure to be put in place and this was recognised in the Committee’s published report.
"It is a shame that no action was taken on the Committee’s recommendation at the time. However, we hope that it will now be taken forward in a professional and comprehensive manner with the full engagement of all concerned parties, addressing all staffing issues including harassment, bullying, employment rights etc."Mounting reports of abusive and inappropriate behaviour towards women in Parliament have gripped Westminster.The Prime Minister attempted to get a grip on the issue on Sunday by writing to John Bercow, the Commons Speaker, offering to hold talks on overhauling Commons disciplinary procedures.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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they have all been f,,,ing the voters for years, they may as well f,,,all the staff to ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph.
Tory Minister and an MP have been accused of paying women to be silent in a so-called 'dirty dossier' being shared by party staff, as the full list of claims against Tory MPs is laid bare.The Minister is said to have asked a woman to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) and the MP is alleged to have "paid a female to be quiet".It comes amid a growing sexual harassment scandal at Westminster, with some 40 Conservative MPs being named in the 'dossier'. In the list obtained by The Telegraph, seven Cabinet ministers, eight former ministers and 15 other members of the Government are named.
Of the MPs named in the list, 25 are alleged to have behaved inappropriately. However the other 15 MPs are named over consensual relationships or personal sexual preferences, with no suggestion of harassment.
They include Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, who is named because of a "workplace relationship" with her boyfriend Kwasi Kwarteng, the Parliamentary Private Secretary to Chancellor Philip Hammond. Both are single and have never denied they are dating.Jake Berry, a minister in the Department for Communities and Local Government, was named on the list because he "impregnated Alice Robinson", who is Boris Johnson's office manager, even though they are a couple who live together and posed for pictures for their local newspaper when their son was born.
Justin Tomlinson is on the list because he dates his researcher Katherine Bennett, which he has never denied.Others, such as Mark Menzies MP, are named over past reports which are in the public domain. Mr Menzies resigned as a ministerial aide in 2014 over claims he paid a male escort for sex.
Theresa May is under pressure from her own MPs to launch a “comprehensive” investigation into sexual harassment after it emerged that two female members of a minister’s staff moved to other jobs because of his “inappropriate” behaviour.
The minister, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is alleged to have made an advance towards one of the women and made improper comments towards the other.The disclosure comes after a Telegraph investigation separately uncovered a series of allegations of MPs abusing or bullying staff, amid wider concern about the treatment and welfare of employees in Westminster.
Theresa May has already launched a Cabinet Office inquiry after the international trade minister Mark Garnier admitted asking his secretary to buy sex toys for him, and has now been urged to get a grip of the scandal engulfing Westminster by widening the inquiry to include allegations against other ministers.
Mr Garnier is among the MPs named in the dossier, as is Stephen Crabb, who apologised for sending explicit text messages to a teenager he interviewed for a job.Steve Double, who allegedly had an affair with a married female researcher, Robert Halfon, who admitted to an affair in 2015, are also on the list.Grant Shapps, the former Conservative Party chairman, is named over allegations of an affair that he blamed on a "vicious" smear campaign earlier this year.Allegations of sexual harassment are by no means confined to the Conservatives. Labour has already suspended newly-elected Jared O’Mara over a series of inappropriate comments about women, and the SNP announced it was investigating complaints against two party members.
Fresh allegations of harassment emerged on Monday during a debate in Parliament about the problem. The Plaid Cymru MP Liz Savile Roberts said an MP’s employee reported being sexually assaulted earlier this year but the “proper authorities...did nothing”.Other female MPs told their own stories of being sexually harassed, including the Labour MP Rupa Huq, who said she had been groped by a male MEP when she was in her 20s.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Just seen the full list.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I see Neil is doing a "Sue" here, seen the list and was rather surprised to see Charlie on it, innocent until proven guilty though.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Come on then. Post the link to the list. (Please)
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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In photo format Bob and I am having trouble uploading photos here lately but it is on my Facebook page.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Sorted!
BTW. I see some wag has been editing Wiki already:-
Hobbies
Wragg enjoys architecture and in particular has been seen admiring some spectacular fountains.howard mcsweeney1 likes this
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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I have seen the unredacted version of that document, Capt.
Sleaze is back - but it is not confined to the Tories.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Difficult to pick a winner out of that lot but Liz Truss, Rory Stewart, Will Wragg and Alun Cairns deserve recognition and what are the "odd penchants" of Michael Fallon.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Surprised Grant Shapps is listed and not one of his alter-egos!
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I was surprised at the state of the list, if you see what I mean. Clearly an internal document for internal purposes by Tory Whips as opposed to anything more helpful. Government needs to get on the front foot with this as it feels like something that could drag on, and on, and...
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,835
That list is similar to what you would find in any workplace that employs a lot of people. Who cares if someone is having an affair and for goodness sake what constitutes "inappropriate" behaviour, that could be someone saying 'you look nice' all the way to creeping hands.
In no way do I condone serious sexual advances but now it seems that even light banter is wrong to some.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Charlie just went up in my eyes. go for it lad!!!!
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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The list in #13 is more likely to be a document compiled by a newspaper than the whips office, in my opinion. (After all, 3 of those listed were whips!)
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
