howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The BBC gave very fair coverage to UKIP during the European elections John, in fact they let them off the hook when Farage was in Ramsgate talking with the fishing people about quotas. As we know he was chosen to be on the committee that decides on who gets a decent quota and he never turned up for any of the meetings.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Sensible words from John Buckley as usual, who has more reason than most to be offended by Janice.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10789449/Hurling-insults-at-Ukip-is-not-the-solution.html
Mark, you might like to read that. EVERY party has representatives that has said or done regretful things, I'm simply asking for a level playing field. And, as you suggested yesterday, I'm extremely happy to encourage sensible debate, for some reason you don't wish to.
Peter, your error re Janice is understandable, your use of "must of" should be an imprisonable offence. I shall spend the day fretting that chav culture has infiltrated micro pubs, arguably the last bastion of civilised society.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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What I picked up on it was that Atkinson was pleased that they had been able to show how multi cultured they are by being recorded speaking with a non English person! the manner in which she said it could not hide her true feelings.
Audere est facere.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Imagine the furore if Bob Frost had said it.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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To be fair to be Bob his grammar is ok
Jan Higgins
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This woman, she is certainly no lady, must surely be an embarrassment to UKIP and if not it says a lot about them.
In Little Britain it was the name of a character, this is why her comment was deemed offensive as it is "Thai for stupid / idiot", quite a difference when you think the lady concerned comes from Thailand.
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John Buckley
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Yes Jan, you`re correct about the translation. But I would have thought that what JA said could only be construed to be offensive if she actually knew what "Ting Tong" in Thai really meant, I don`t believe that she did know and that is why I wonder about the real motives for the BBC making such a song and dance about this.
Actually my wife often calls me "Ting Tong" and although she`s probably right, perhaps I should be more offended!
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Peter Garstin wrote:Imagine the furore if Bob Frost had said it.
Bob Frost has said far worse but still represents the tories.
Double standards
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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John, all depends how the words are used, either with a smile or straight faced.
I am not surprised UKIP rush to defend her it is called closing ranks just the same as Tories do with that embarrassment Bob Frost.
The BBC's motive is reporting (like they did with Gordon Brown) how our political representatives really think rather than the usual politically correct face we usually get.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Jan, I don't see anyone from UKIP defending Janice
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I find the BBC to be fairly neutral in most things, as Jan says, Gordon Brown got the same treatment as anyone that makes a fool of themselves.
I am surprised that Farage has decided to take no action in this matter, normally his judgement is sound.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Farage did take action, he just didn't feel the need to tell the world.
Still, on a thread about ukip I get nobody wishing to debate our policies or principles.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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OK David maybe I should have said not say anything against her which is almost the same in my eyes.
As for UKIP policies and principles I thought they were virtually the same as the Tories except they are against anything that comes from the EU dictate.
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John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Have to disagree Howard about the impartialness of the BBC. I can`t comment unfortunately on their coverage of the european elections as I wasn`t here at that particular time. However, from past experience, I have seen Nigel Farage often given a particularly hard time when interviewed by various BBC newspeople. That`s fair enough, he`s there to be questioned of course, but I don`t in the main see politicians from the other party`s getting quite the same treatment.
Only recently when I made the mistake of listening to BBC Radio Kent I found their typical attitude to UKIP. There was a "round up" of the weeks news stories and understandably for them the JA "incident" was their major talking point. There were three guys in this discussion programme and all three were critical of UKIP for various reasons and each of them stated that they would never vote for them. Again, fair enough if that`s their opinion, but I didn`t see that as a balanced or fair discussion and hardly impartial. Nobody was giving a viewpoint from the other side so to speak.
Then of course we have the so called "balanced" studio audience for their Question Time programme which to me often seems to have planted a more than fair share of lefty militant activists.
I understand also what you say about Gorden Brown, but at the time that was our prime minister, not a comparatively minor political player. His utterances were also made in a somewhat vitriolic manner, annoyed at the elderly woman that he had just met, unlike I would suggest those made by JA.
However, perhaps it`s just a simple case of us individuals perceiving things in a different light, but personally I wouldn`t give the BBC particularly high marks for "impartiality".
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Jan, how's this:
We'll scrap inheritance tax.
Pay no tax on minimum wage
Scrap HS2
Slash foreign aid.
There's 4 for a start that are nothing like tory policy.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Haven't sat through a whole episode of "Question Time" in over 20 years John, i just look in sometimes if there is someone entertaining on there. I can remember Jack Straw sitting on there sulking because Nick Griffin was there!!
I know for a fact that the BBC allocate tickets to all parties and groups as equally as possible to maximise audience involvement.
Usually the ones in each party that don't have much to say but say it loudly get hold of the tickets hence the schoolboy effect
we get from the audience.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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David, this isn't about UKIP policy. Formulating policy is the easy bit and is carried out most evenings in pubs across the country! The difficult bit is having a disciplined (this doesn't mean cloned) party that can convince the electorate that it can deliver the policies. The list of the outrageously behaved continues to grow with Elizabeth Jones this week. So far you have tried to deflect the discussion by referencing the Lib Dems, the BBC, EVERY party but failed to tackle the central question about the real face of UKIP.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Mark, there is a massive difference between the real face of UKIP and the tiny element you persist in focussing on.
My point, which to use your words you are trying to deflect, is EVERY party has people within it people that say and do regretful things, that's life. You have no desire to engage in policy debate, you simply want to single out the odd misjudgement. That's fine, the major parties and media tried the same in the lead up to the Euros and we all know the outcome.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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According to the "Folkestone Herald" Janice Atkinson will be standing for UKIP in Folkestone and Hythe next May, should be lively.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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It won't be up to the Folkestone Herald or indeed Janice where/if she stands. Like every other candidate she'll put herself forward at a hustings and the local branch members will select their favoured PPC.
It's called democracy, we don't have quotas or safe seats, we don't parachute young Blair or Kinnock, we vote for the best person.
