I suspect the police were cautious about causing offence and kicking off a race incident. For Gods sake.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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howard,they did lose a couple.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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If they had been miners going up north for little chat with colleagues they would have been stopped from getting there.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Indeed.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC, we all know about the miners idea of a 'little chat with colleagues', I hear some working miners still have the scars!!!
Well Bern, the police certainly did cause a hell of a lot of offense and kicked off a breach of the peace, what some might call a racial incident, in allowing the protest to go ahead. I wonder how many new members were gained by the BNP by what they did.
Exactly.
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Isn't there a law about inflammatory placards? They could have been confiscated straight away but weren't. Perhaps the Bedfordshire Constabulary have to much of a laid back attitude for fear of upsetting what is fast becoming not a minority part of the population.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Glad I didn't see that yesteday, I would have thrown something at the TV.
As Kate said, many thousands of ordinary, peaceful, Muslims are very angry with this guy and his views and will now be in fear, even though they oppose this idiotic fanatical view.
The Koran itself must surely be at fault in that it allows for such diverse interpretation of Islam: Christianity has no such ambiguity.
Roger
Errrrm...the Crusades?........Bloody Queen Mary........the North of Ireland.........John Knox........Oliver Cromwell.........there is a bit of a histroy of any religion being manipulated and used as a platform for extremists who fulfil their own needs at the expense of religious harmony. There is always ambiguity because religion depends on subjective viewpoints and interpretations. That doesn't, of course, make it right!!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The chap was back on GMtv this morning defending his position to protest and highlighting Amnesty International report on atrocties allegedly commited by British troops in Iraq.The TV company has received over 14,000 texts and email messages from members of the public.I only saw a little bit of the interview with John Stapleton but I'll try and find the link.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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There you go again BarryW, blaming the mass for what a handful did; tarring all with same brush is regular for you. The truth is Kent was part of South Midlands, making it legal for us to go to pits in this area to talk to them. The commander who ordered the stopping of miners at the tunnel admitted last week, that what he did, was illegal.
My point is, why was this not stopped, these people are going to inflict more than just scars?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
One of the troubles is that we, people, tend to group others together because it is easier: we see miners having a scrap, all miners are the same, we see black people waving banners, they all do it, we see tall green people with pink stripes eating babies, they all do it. we need to be a little more creative in our thinking!!! Perhaps asking the question Why more often might help. If there is a picture of miners scrapping with police, perhaps it's the police provocation, perhaps it's fatigue and anger, fear at job losses, people who just want a scrap and would do it whatever their job, perhaps it's individuals on both sides, perhaps politicians engineered it so that people would lose patience and with it support for the miners.........Perhaps those people protesting had a point but made it in a horribly inappropriate way, and we let them. Perhaps successive governments rolling over once too many times has allowed this to happen. The question Why is always a good one.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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I agree with you there Bern,
don't like referring back to the Miners strike but there was unjustified actions from very few miners, under extreme duress, from many thousands of people, ranging from government and opposition, police & other force's & much of the media.
Who? What? And why? Did not interest the large majority of Miners, they were not political militants that people like to paint them. They just knew that their pits and communities were being taken away from them, unjustly, and they knew they had to do something to try and stop that happening.
Whoever the fault lays with does not detract from the fact that our coalfield was shut, causing massive unemployment and everlasting social problems in our communities, whilst sitting on 200 years of the best coking coal in the country.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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roger
all religions have something in their handbooks about taking the sword to non believers.
similarly they all have bits about loving their fellow men.
whoever reads these tomes, finds some thing to back their views.
Alec Sheldon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 18 Aug 2008
- Posts: 1,036
A bit off topic but as strikes and picket lines have been mentioned here is a story that happened to me in the 1988 seamans strike. I was stood on the roundabout outside Eastern Docks on the picket line and a line of police were in front of us. I knew the policeman who happened to be in front of me as he lived opposite me. His words to me were "hello Alec, you are doing it all wrong mate, you should have a surge now and then" meaning, cause some aggravation so they could get their batons out. Talk about inciting violence. I didn't make this up, it is true.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i can believe that.
seen it in action many times,normal coppers get all fired up when they have the use of riot equipment.