Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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23 October 2008
18:067961Barry, like you are able to speak with experience in financial matters, I can speak with some experience on pubs having had 15 of them. The smoking ban was the most singular reason for the demise of the great British boozer.
The non-smokers did not return to the smoke-free pubs as was forecast. When it comes to recession pubs generally don't suffer as much as other service trades, it tends to be more restaurants and food orientated pubs.
Although the legislation was designed to protect our health there is no reason why the original plan as described in my previous posting could not have been impleted.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 October 2008
19:157969i can see where you are coming from there dave regarding the traditional pub.
a lot of people enjoy the old spit and sawdust pub, as opposed to the pretentious gastro pubs.
those people usually set aside an amount of money to pay for their beer and baccy, and will not give those up
no matter what.
at the end of the day they may have a subscription to the sky movies and sports channel that they can cancel, should they have to go without a luxury.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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23 October 2008
20:017972quite right Howard. Another thing is that there are many lonely people about and on Christmas Day and night all of my pubs opened. These people weren't down and outs or alcoholic but mainly old people that wanted a bit of company. We use to lay on free sandwiches and mince pies and all of the regulars got a free drink and a glass of my mulled wine to warm them up. Sadly that has now all gone largely due to a ban which most people even today oppose.
Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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25 October 2008
19:058046As regards the smoking ban on the continent i don't know ow its enforced but in Belgium and France you don't see people smoking in bars, which is why i like Germany as you can still smoke in bars.
On the original point of the thread if Vic gets on the town council then becomes an mep we have to have another election to replace him. Come on Vic what do you want really.
beer the food of the gods
Brian Dixon
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25 October 2008
19:408047you are still able to smoke in bars in belguim but not in france.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 October 2008
23:208061I have already said they should come back into pubs with a smokers only room I AM A NONE SMOKER AND DRINK NOW BUT still think it is not right for them to have to go outside and the pubs need more help at this time and I think by bring back smokeing in the pubs would help them.
I remain yours faithfully
matcham
26 October 2008
11:138080Absolutely - I avoided pubs for years because of the smoke and can now use them happily, and can take my kids with me. Continental cafes and pubs are child friendly and smoke free and it works - it comes down to how we use our resources, not to what we are and are not allowed to do. It also comes down to respect, and a smoke free environment respects everyone inside it. It would be too complicated to have seperate smokers pubs etc and there would be all the old pressures on non-smokers to join their "mates" who want to cover them in toxic air.
26 October 2008
11:148081Another reason pubs are closing is the anti-social behaviour they can generate - publicans no longer take seriously their job of stopping people drinking too much or behaving badly, relying on the police to do that job for them. I know individuals are responsible for their own behaviour, but it has always been part of the publicans role to monitor and police their own pubs.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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26 October 2008
11:418082mmmmmmmmmmmmm, Bern, a rash of agreement breaking out between us.
I really do think smokers should adjust and will do eventually until smoking in a pub would itself seem an old fashioned aberation. Sadly this recession has come along on top of the ban to make the transition worse for pubs. I see what you are saying Dave, but many pubs have become so reliant on food they have more in common with restaurants and will be hard hit.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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27 October 2008
09:048105nothing wrong in my mind about smoking in a pub,viewed it as a part of an evning out.the smoking ban now makes smokers look like the bad guys,minority rules again.this will be the second winter of the ban and can see more winter allments which will clog the hospital beds denying people with more seriously ill a bed.no wonder this country is going to the dogs.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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27 October 2008
10:008111I am sure those of you, Brian, who enjoy smoking do miss it and maybe it was great for you at the time. Think though about the rest of us who dont smoke, it was dreadful, smelly clothes, smarting eyes, coughing. Sadly most smokers were not considerate to non-smokers and cared nothing about what their fumes did to others and, without suggesting you was one of them, perhaps you are paying for that lack of consideration.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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27 October 2008
10:138112Barry, I fully appreciate what you are saying but you completely ignore the original plan and that was to have pubs that allowed smokers but no children and no food. This would have saved a lot of jobs and a number of pubs. In any event you must have led a very sheltered life if you did not come across smokers in the workplace.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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27 October 2008
10:258113Here we go agreement with my mate baz!!!!!!!
Iv been a smoker and quit about 17 years ago, i gave up for many reasons one of them being how anti social the habit can be to me or others around.
the smell stays on your clothes(and any non smoker any where near you)
and a lot of smokers have NO consideration for non smokers, many will light up as though its a right.
I to find pubs a lot better now knowing my eyes wont sting half way through the night because of the smoke, so im all for pubs being able to have a SMOKERS ONLYpub
but i dont agree with howard that staff should have quit jobs cos pub becomes a smokers pub bit unfair.
k
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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27 October 2008
11:148117Keith you still avoid like Barry that there could have been a two-tiered system as I have previously outlined. It is unfair that many people have lost their jobs because of the ban, perhaps you should be like me a non-drinker after all that damages your liver, can result in anti-social behaviour and when your on a yacht just off Corfu can make your tongue a little bit loose.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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27 October 2008
12:248121there is a short answer to the smoking ban apart from the obviace is to have a extractor system fitted,this the pub/bar would be smoke free and start filling up again.going back about 30 years when pubs were pubs most had two or three bars with most of the smokers gathering in one of the three,unlike now with the knock through maximum profit system.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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27 October 2008
17:488127Does anyone remember Ken Barlows first line in the very first episode of Coranation Street? He walked into the Rovers Return and opened the never ending series with the immortal line, "ten cigarettes please, Mrs Walker."
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2008
20:088131keith
where have i said that workers should have to leave their jobs?
28 October 2008
08:508157It's only smokers who think fans work!! There isn't an extractor fan made that could remove the toxic smells and the poisonous fumes properly. A two tier system is not workable because smoke drifts and goes where it likes!! Duh! I used to smoke (quit 27 years ago), and I never realised the full effect of the smell, and how it clung, while I smoked, because I was so used to the smells.......this isn't non-smokers being horrid to smokers because we can, it's addressing a serious health and well being issue and returning us our right to not be poisoned!!! Whoever said it is right: non-smokers were traditionally way more tolerant and courteous than smokers in their acceptance of the discomfort and stink - smokers are, on the whole, inconsiderate and unreasonable in their need to smoke. It is an addiction.........addictions do cause people to behave irrationally and/or unpleasantly. Think about it.....
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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28 October 2008
09:128159howard
think it through if smoking pubs came back and were more popular those wanting to work in smoke free pubs would have less chance in doing so
so they would be at risk through no fault of that own. and should they be?
Bern
your right on that silly brian dixon comment on extractor fans,
the smoke filled rooms are a fing of the past,
Dave1
I have no probs with pubs being clear they could be smokers only
or non smokers only
did say that, it would be choice of pubs you went to
but that would need landlords wanting to go that route,
what i wouldnt support is smokers and non smokers in same room AS the smoke is dificult to get away from and im not found a method yet that solves it.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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28 October 2008
09:428163kieth,extracter fans do work,only enploy people who smoke behind bars non smokers can stay away.nothing silly in it at all silly kieth samson.
