Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 October 2008
10:378168Brian, it is not so easy as that. When mixing with certain members of my wife's family, who are heavy smokers, I used to have a choice, be unsociable and refuse to go with them to the pub or go along and suffer from their waste products. The last time I was with them it was a real pleasure to actually go for a drink with them for a change. If there was a choice they would go to a smoking pub, not a non-smoking pub, so my dilemma would arise.
Interestingly they dont smoke in their home, but they would want to smoke in a pub. A bit of double standards perhaps.
Brian Dixon
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28 October 2008
15:398177your choice barry the thing we can agree on is to diagree.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 October 2008
20:058201bern
you have made it clear that you prefer to drive to london and back on a daily basis, thus polluting the atmosphere.
where is the difference?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 October 2008
20:088202keith
three quarters of the population do not smoke, how could smoking pubs outnumber on smoking pubs?
your turn to think it through.
28 October 2008
21:248213True, I do drive to London and it is a no-brainer: it would be better not to!! I would prefer not to as well and if public transport was better, quicker, cleaner, more efficient and convenient I would - Iam sure I have told you about when my son and I went to Live8 in Edinburgh after we had done the London one - we flew from Manston as it was just before they went bust. My husband went to london on the train at the same time. We went from OUR HOUSE to our accomodation in Edinburgh by plane, including the taxi drive to and the checking in at the hotel BEFORE my husband had reached London!!! But that's by the by - you are right, it is polluting, but it isn't even remotely like sitting in a pub breathing someones cigarette smoke or allowing kids to breathe it, given all the evidence around the ill health caused by smoking and passive smoking. The difference, I guess, is that we have an opportunity to reduce ill health outcomes for people by reducing the areas inwhich we are exposed to smoke unintentionally - it removes the need to rely on smokers to be thoughtful or considerate as it is done for them!!! Truly - I have no problem with anyone wanting to smoke, only about them doing it near me or a loved on, or in a place that also inconveniences me. I like pubs, but avoided them for years. I have also seen the terribl;e damage done by smoking and if we can prevent just one youngster from taking it up by making it less cool or acceptable, job done as far as I am concerned!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 October 2008
22:088222job not done completely.
the chest complaints suffered by people living close to a busy junction are undisputed.
they do not have much choice, people can choose not to go into a smoking establishment.
Ross Miller
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28 October 2008
22:368230As a non drinking smoker, to be honest the smoking ban does not bother me.
I never smoked in restaurants as it was unfair to my taste buds and more importantly to those around me who were still eating.
In continental cafes my preference was and is to sit outside where I can still smoke if I want, nursing my coffee and watching the world go by.
As for public transport I am not at all bothered that you can no longer smoke, frankly if you cannot last for the length of your train or bus journey then you really have a problem.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
28 October 2008
22:438232Job done as far as deterring kids from developing at least 47 different kinds of painful and undignified terminal illness from smoking...job done as far as reducing the potential for some young people to develop allied ill health such as poor circulation and dementia....job done reducing the anti-social smells and fogs. Absolutely, driving provides its own health hazards - we can reduce negative impacts of smoking with the ban, but with the best will in the world people will still drive, fly, sail. We should take what steps we can. Smoke away, but just not in some places!!!!! It's not an intolerance thing, its a fairness/courtesy/health/pong thing!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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28 October 2008
22:438233durring ww1and ww2 the goverment issued frontline solders with cigerettes and rum rations.and now 60 or so the goverment changes its mind talk about a u-turn.
Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 October 2008
23:048241They issued ciggies to the troops in the Falklands 1982.
beer the food of the gods
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 October 2008
23:458245Brian and guzzler, that does not alter the fact that smoking is an anti-social act that has no redeeming feature and had no place in modern society. Dont get me wrong, I am quite happy for drug addicts to get their smoking fix in private, thats a matter for them, but they must not be allowed to inflict their poison on others, there is simply no need for it.
29 October 2008
07:578255Totally agree BarryW (will now go and lie down in a dark room for a while...)!
And I need to add, Brian: troops are also given guns and things that kill people when they are on duty - cigs are probably the least of their worries. Until recently the health risks of smoking were not public knowledge, so it is a bit silly to call it a u-turn!!!!!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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29 October 2008
08:068257I would have thought that having a fag in the trenches during WW1 was the least of Tommys' worries.
Nowadays we are better informed of the health risks involved with smoking.This generation of 14 year olds have no excuses for taking up the dreaded weed.Unlike our parents and grandparents who were encouraged to smoke as an aid to ease their everyday worries and to relax with a packet of 10 Dreadnoughts for men.
I am surprised,Bern. that none of the pro lobby have come up with the tale of their Dear old Aunt Maggie who lived to be 223 years old who smoked like a chimney and drank like a fish and it never did her any harm...argument.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 October 2008
08:238262quite right marek i know a few ex miners who do that on a regular bases who are well into there 90s,i allso know people who never smoked or had a drink die of smoker/drinker related illnesses.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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29 October 2008
08:338265Brian writes
" allso know people who never smoked or had a drink die of smoker/drinker related illnesses".
Exactly my point,Brian, they died of smoke related illnesses by breathing in air polluted by smokers.Poor old Roy Castle is a perfect example.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 October 2008
08:488268most of those who died who didnt smoke/drink lived very shelterd lives they never hung around where people smoked or drank and not because they did.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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29 October 2008
09:218276Brian
I fink you missed the point, its about non smokers having the right to be in non smoke filled rooms
me and baz at one on this !!!
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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29 October 2008
09:218277Brian
I fink you missed the point, its about non smokers having the right to be in non smoke filled rooms
me and baz at one on this !!!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 October 2008
09:258278kieth i can see yours and barrys point but when we have had chats in town in the past did my smoking bother you to mutch.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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29 October 2008
09:278283If you want me to be truthful, yes!!!!
