Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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29 August 2009
19:3628187Im in reality matey, as i v said in other postings labour has its problems, but only someone stupid would not admit hannan is doing to camerons chance of fame.
and iom sure thats not realy you baz
Sid Pollitt
30 August 2009
19:1128238If Hannan is a good and effective MEP why arent the Thatcherite wing of the Tory party after his resignation? The EU is bad to them so they wont want him to be good it I'd think. Maybe his pay reflects his effort.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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31 August 2009
07:4128252On the actual thread, itsinteresting how this goes down, funny you get chatting to people, day before yesterday i spoke with a prominent conservative and gd friend of mine, he is a rabid right wing.
Whats his thoughts on present situation?
1; like barryw he told me he was warning people general elections past that they
will to regret electing labour should it happen
2; Hes realy concerned that cameron is only going to look after middle england
where the vote is, he recognises it.
3; he said people like Hannan whether hes liked or not, he weill destroy the
Tories chances of getting to number 10.
4; This man is as right wing or even more right wing than our very own baz
and now fears the chances of ridding labour in govt is starting to slip away.
5; he, like our baz hates the labour party, but is honest enough to admit that
unless cameron does something about these maverick speeches labour will
be returned by default.
This man has since i first new him about 15 years ago always like barryw spouted off how wonderful the tories were(are) and how much he dislkes labour.
but he is reasoned enough to also see more recently that although it was plain sailing for cameron, now questions are being asked,
He hopes that having got this far that the tories don't blow it through these outspoken individuals.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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31 August 2009
07:5928262That is his opinion. I disagree and have good reason for it. For instance there is plenty of polling evidence to suggest the Conservatives came out on top in the NHS debate brought about by Dan. The latest poll over the weekend lengthens the Conservative lead as 'others' come back to the major Parties.
I remember, Keith, back in the late 70's, what people (many from the right but a lot more from the left) were saying about Mrs T and her chances. I was right then, based mainly on gut instinct.
By all means keep your spirits up by grasping at things like this but any sober analysis says that Labour are finished. As Mike Smithson says from Political Betting, there was a 'sea change' in public opinion back in April that sealed Labour's fate.
The real question is regarding the scale of any Conservative win. Conservatives are almost certainly going to be the largest Party in the Commons but will there be an overall majority and will it be a landslide?
But the really interesting questions now are really about the scale of any defeat faced by Labour. What Ministers will lose their seats? Will they be able to win more than 100 seats? Will they be able to recover and remain the main left opposition or will the LibDems arise to replace them?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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31 August 2009
08:1028269Thankfully barryw unlike you, this friend of mine although having his faults of being a rabid right winger, also recognises that the outbursts are in danger of not only losing the election, but also unseating cameron as leader.
He feels so strongly about the tories and it hurt him to even admit to me how hes feeling, this is a strong man, devoted maggie fan, anti trade unionist, anti labour and anyone other than tories.
Desperate for a tory govt.
hes telling me people are becoming concerned and likely to vote against tores cos of the fear where they are going)P or not vote(allowing labour or a hung parlianment by defaut)
He lives in tory heartland, and talks to people everyday,
k
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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31 August 2009
08:2128279Nothing wrong with being right wing Keith, 'rabid' well better than a loony leftie I suppose. That is a thin case you are making there.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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31 August 2009
08:2628281Im not making any kind of case, just trying to let you down lightly, letting you know outside of your little world, people are talking, and the tides changing, maybe slow, but theres real fears where as it looked like cameron was going to walk in, now looks like things on the change.
I was trying to explain barryw these postings were not my view, but that of a right wing devoted life long tory living in a tory hearland, talking to other tory sympathetic people, he realy fears labour might just slip back in by default, but for the wrong reasons
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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31 August 2009
09:5728323Keith - you do tell 'em...
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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31 August 2009
10:0528324OK well don't say i didnt try baz
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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31 August 2009
22:0628351getting away from the yah boo of keith and barry for a moment, the reactions that i get from blue people is that they are very unsure of the old etonian chap, but see him as a way of gaining power.
all very similar to the cheshire catting tony blair of the middle nineties, red people were distrustful, but saw him as the man that would bring them the holy grail of power.
i hope that i am not being too heavy here, but the point i am making is that politics over the last 3 decades has been about getting power, rather than doing anything that improves the lives of people in the long run.
when was the last time we had a real statesperson at the helm in downing street?
Sid Pollitt
1 September 2009
10:4628365It's a wonder the Thatcherite wing of the Tory party hasnt demanded Hannen's after his resignation for taking the EU's dollar.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 September 2009
10:4828366Wild imagination at work again Sid.