Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 October 2009
20:3731533Do you feel like I do that with the row in the Church of England going on over woman Bishops, and Gay vicors?
The Pope head of the Roman Catholic church has told Vicors of the church of England,if you are unhappy with your church you can come over to us and still keep you own order of serice.
There are at this time over 600 vicors thinking about just doing that,with some already gone over,they have been doing that in small numbers now over the last few years.
I think as head of the church of England the Queen should call in the Archbishop of Canterbury and tell him to stop all what is going on and have a rethink on all the matters that alot of the vicors think is not right.
I realy do think that if nothing is done soon it will be the end of the church of England as we know it today.
As head of the church the Queen is the only one who can do this.
Numbers in the church are falling off alot,and numbers in the R/Cathoic church are on the way up.
Please tell me how you feel about this thread and if you think i am right or wrong.
Or even if you do or do not care what happens to the church.
Thank you I remain yours Vic matcham
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 October 2009
20:4731536if it is true that many anglicans are defecting to the church of rome then the c of e is in trouble.
very few of the population will lose sleep over it, most do not know that the monarch is the head.
will be interesting to hear the views of bern and marek, who are the only practising left handers on here.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 October 2009
20:5331538I am not a Catholic but have been going to a catholic church now over 16years.
I know that God is in all churchs but the church I go to is the one both my wife and me are happy in.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 October 2009
21:1531542I should think that 'he' should be outside a lot of them too hopefully !!
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 October 2009
21:2431543PAUL.you are so right ,I am sorry some times my wording is not right.
But I am on about the two churchs that is why it came out that way again I am sorry
25 October 2009
22:2631547Hi - as one of the pair of left handers, here is it: religion is blamed for countless atrocities, war among them. But it is the people tasked with running the religions who are at fault. Faith and religion are not the same thing. People are fallible and flawed and will use any handy patsy to excuse their own shortcomings - if it wasn't religion the psychopaths among us would use something else as a reason to maim and kill. Faith is precious and individual and will not tolerate violence and cruelty - any faith.
If the Pope has invited people in, I will welcome them, as I would welcome anyone. But I am not comfortable with us using the Catholic Faith as a repository for the disillusioned clerics in another faith. If you need a group with whom to worship, do so as a positive choice, not because the one you have chosen doesn't match your own, fallible, desires.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 October 2009
23:0531550Bern.Thank you for that,you have a very good point there about clerics just coming over because they are in your words disillusion with their own faith in their own church.
Thank you.
Brian Dixon
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26 October 2009
08:5331559as a non beliver im not really botherd.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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26 October 2009
09:0031561I too am a non-believer and this does not directly affect me but if the CofE is waning then it has only itself to blame. Too many trendy bishops not willing to provide leadership and only too willing to compromise to accomodate 'modern values', or more appropriately a lack of values. They failed to stick up for their own traditional teachings and are paying the price. This was ably demonstrated by a former Bishop of Durham who said he did not subscribe to a fundamental core christian belief.
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26 October 2009
09:2631566It seems that the rank and file of the Church in question( Anglican I think) have not been consulted, nor has the Queen who is head of this church here. The motivation for joining up with the Catholics is stronger amongst those who do not want women or gay priests and so on, traditionalists in other words, this is in keeping with the Catholic Church. There have been moves before though about bringing the Churches together, at least those with similar aims and practises.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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26 October 2009
17:1731582Thank you so much for that.
The way I see it is that the church of England over the next 20years will be taken over as the main church and that will be the R/C. with most of the public coming from overseas to live in England they in main R/C.
And alot of English public going from England moving around the world to set up new homes the Church of England is going to be pushed out.
26 October 2009
17:3231585I have one question to ask anyone who might be considering leaving CofE for the Catholics: do you want to join Ann Widdecombes ranks.........?
Guest 691- Registered: 24 Oct 2009
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26 October 2009
17:4731592LOL just for a change, I couldn't disagree more with Barry! Not enough trendy vicars!
The world changes and the Church needs to adapt to survive. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but equally you can't pretend that we live in the 1st century. I'm a Methodist and our Church does shocking things like ordain women, marry divorcees and bless civil partnerships.
Both Methodists and the Anglicans are seeing declining congregations, so values and core beliefs aren't enough to explain the trends. Some denominations, like the Evangelicals, are seeing a steady increase - the Ark is enormously popular. Is this because they condemn gays and preach division of labour? I think it's more to do with the happy clappy nature of their worship. It's not for everyone - it can be a bit creepy - but more young people go for it over dreary organ-lead hymns and didactic sermons... and young people are the key to sustaining/increasing congregations.
I'm not suggesting that we need a revolution in the C of E. I like the dreary organ-lead hymns. Diversity in the Church is a massive strength and gives a bigger opportunity for all to be involved. Vibrant churches have different services for different tatses, or they team up with other local churches. From a capitalist viewpoint, this maximises you client base!!
Jesus said, "Love thy neighbour" and so people kill each other about precisely how he said it. Brilliant.
"In this world there are 10 sorts of people - those that understand binary and those that don't."
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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26 October 2009
17:5331594interesting that in a forum where the majority express no religious beliefs, that so many have a view.
there must be something in people's psyche that brings the interest out.
so many people when filling out a form, write in their religion as c of e.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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26 October 2009
18:0531603Matthew.Thank you for that and there is alot in what you say.
As for the Ark I was a member of the church for alot of years and I can go back to the day my son died that was 16years now and pastor Davis he is not there now sit with me on my sons bed for about two hrs.Now that you are up the hill the church has got bigger and bigger I have not been up there for a long time but the services are very good with lots of music and it is the way forward,and you also have a lot of the young up there all praying and singing,what more can I say just Great.
But I can not ever see the church of England going that way.
All the posts I have read on this one have been good thank you all. Please keep them coming.God is with you 24/7 even if your thinking is "THere is no God" One day you will need him and he will still be there for you.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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26 October 2009
18:1331611well he has left me out in the cold here vic.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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26 October 2009
18:4031620Well, I`ve been an athiest for longer than Richard Dawkins. As you can see from one of my posts, my beliefs lie with what I see beyond this world as opposed to somebody who nobodys ever seen here. I always respect other peoples beliefs, as I was once a believer myself. Despite all this though, I still love to look at old churches, and inside where possible, though only from an historical interest. I still like listening to hymns. Also used to find it interesting talking to the jehovas witnesses when they came round. I have found in the last couple of years though, they`re educating themselves more with science, and try and convert you via that. They`ve tried it with me several times, but being my special subject, they soon back off, and you can see they`ve been `programmed`. Anyway, I don`t put them down, I just get annoyed when they `use` science for their own ends.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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26 October 2009
18:4931621Vic, a very interesting post you put here, and like my interests in other planets and other beings etc, I have an interest in peoples religeous beliefs here, as it`s always interesting to speculate the religeous implications of an alien craft or a god like figure turning up here one day, putting the world to right.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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26 October 2009
18:5431622 A small church in Norfolk. 2006.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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26 October 2009
18:5831623Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
