ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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His report is very relevant and to the point. Immigration is an international problem and can only be mitigated by international cooperation. Unfortunately, that's not something we're too keen on the moment and Patel is too thick to grasp. She saw a tough immigration stance as a vote winner but now finds her impossible promises coming back to bite her.
His report featured on the Today programme very near the end this morning. Recommended listening.
Button
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Ah, now see it came across to me as containing a lot of slant and assertions. I thought agitation over "clandestine" immigration (whose numbers, by definition, are unknown) had been around way before the Brexit referendum.
(Not my real name.)
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Button wrote:Ah, now see it came across to me as containing a lot of slant and assertions. I thought agitation over "clandestine" immigration (whose numbers, by definition, are unknown) had been around way before the Brexit referendum.
I'd be interested to hear which parts you consider to be 'slants and assertions'.
And, as I guess you already know with your experience, the term clandestine is used by the French (clandestin) to describe anyone who tries to cross La Manche furtively, rather than by overt means like jumping on a ferry. I think that was the meaning Easton was trying to convey. Those numbers are accurately recorded as they arrive in the UK.
And yes - of course there were asylum seekers prior to Brexit. One of the main points of the article is that we now find, post Brexit, that managing the problem has become a whole lot harder.
Button- Location: Dover
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OK, here's an example of something I considered an assertion: "Ministers want to illustrate how Brexit has restored sovereignty and independence to the United Kingdom." Isn't tagged as an opinion, neither does it quote any source; could be analysis I suppose, but still (I think) lacking in basis.
I agree somewhat with your definition of a "clandestine", but not that their numbers are recorded; we certainly didn't count those clandestines who, not being asylum seekers, we failed to intercept back in my day.
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Captain Haddock
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If the government can construct dozens of Nightingale hospital in literally a couple of weeks, it can construct similar dormitory type buildings for illegal migrants (suitably fenced of course). No law in the world says illegal migrants must be housed in hotels.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Guest 3130- Registered: 22 Feb 2019
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Glad the "Bob" referred to above has different views from this well known local Bob:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-32886774Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Still funny!
Though not as funny as my comments on slavery which outraged a whole city IMHO
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/tory-councillor-who-insulted-liverpool-15237799
(The funniest bit was when local reporter Sam 'not very bright' Lennon contacted me to ask me what colour were the staff I had 'bought'!)
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 3130- Registered: 22 Feb 2019
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Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.
Brian Dixon
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it's a wind up. lol
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Back on topic:-
During the past week, 2,278 illegal migrants have crossed the Channel in 68 boats.
6,055 have now arrived this month (TEN TIMES the total detected 1-21 November 2020).
At least 25,808 have arrived this year (MORE THAN TRIPLE the total by this point in 2020).
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Further stats:-
Kent County Council says in the past two months it has had 247 unaccompanied child asylum seekers come into its care.
Meanwhile they are back trying the lorries!
Police Nationale 62
@PoliceNat62
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Durant la nuit, les #policiers de Calais et les #CRS sont intervenus à plusieurs reprises dans les zones industrielles de #Calais afin d'empêcher des migrants de monter dans les poids lourds au péril de leur vie.
During the night, the #policiers of Calais and the #CRS intervened on several occasions in the industrial zones of #Calais in order to prevent migrants from getting into heavy goods vehicles at the risk of their lives.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Back on topic:-
During the past week, 2,278 illegal migrants have crossed the Channel in 68 boats.
6,055 have now arrived this month (TEN TIMES the total detected 1-21 November 2020).
At least 25,808 have arrived this year (MORE THAN TRIPLE the total by this point in 2020).
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3094394197470500alexiatrade- Registered: 10 Oct 2018
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3094394197470500
#52...some commonsense at last......Thank you.
This thread, has or is, doing this Forum no justice.....
It is bigoted and racial.......
The OP and instigator Bob Frost should know better....he is a troublesome and troubled being...
However as a former Public Servant, he should have some sense.
Regarding stirring up trouble and fear.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Asylum backlog passes 70,000
The backlog of asylum cases has passed 70,000 despite a fall in the annual number of applications.
Almost 71,000 asylum seekers, including dependants, were awaiting an initial decision on their claim for refugee status as of 30 June 2021, according to new Home Office figures. The overall backlog has doubled in just a couple of years: at the end of 2018, the figure was 36,000.
The rise in pending cases comes despite the number of new applications remaining below pre-pandemic levels. The flow of asylum claims into the system rose in the second quarter of 2021, but remains well below the 2019 peak. The running total in the year ending 30 June 2021 is lower than the number for the year to 30 June 2020.
A different measure of the backlog — asylum seekers waiting for more than six months for an initial decision — also shows an alarming rise. The number of people in this position is up almost 40% year-on-year, to 54,000
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Meanwhile in Ashford:-
Illegal entry to UK, expired visa but owns a £19.000 car!
Kent Police Ashford
@KentPoliceAsh
· Nov 22
This vehicle was stopped tonight in #ASHFORD by #LPT2. The driver was shown as having their Visa application declined in 2019 and was arrested for illegal entry into the UK. The vehicle has been seized and the driver is in custody awaiting interview with Immigration. 22-0053 AH
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The point of post #52 was to put your figures into a meaningful context. You don't like that. You never have done.
As far as the Home Office's awful inability to process asylum applications in a timely and humane way, then I guess we're in agreement. It didn't really come as a surprise to read of their abject failure in compensating the Windrush victims. When incompetence reaches that sort of level, then one has to wonder whether it is more by design rather than accident. But, hey, they're only [removed], aren't they?
As for #55, what has that got to do with the global problem of immigration? Rhetorical question. I can anwser it - sweet FA. Just another poor attempt at deflection when you're presented with the facts.
Please re-read the Terms of Service for using this forum.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The Left: There aren't enough houses
Me: 25,000+ have crossed the Channel this year
The Left: The NHS is overrun
Me: 25,000+ have crossed the Channel this year
The Left: Our infrastructure is overloaded
Me: 25,000+ have crossed the Channel this year.
The Left: You're a racist
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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There is little left anyone can say on this illegal immigrant issue for fear of being branded a racist and or a bigot, so much for free speech.
A illegal can make their way all alone across several countries to get here but we now have to give him special care because he is a so called child, over 15/16 should be treated as adults.
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Ray #56.
Please remove those offensive racist words in your posting.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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There are problems Jan as soon as one deviates from the right-on narrative that 'we've always been a country of immigration, and that immigration is good for the economy.
The Norman 'conquest' involved about 8,000 continentals moving here when we had a population of about 3.5 million.
Compare that to the latest stats of around 37% of people living in London being born outside the UK, (14% for the UK as a whole).
So unusual was immigration in our history that the arrival of 50,000 Huguenots was notable.
There was next to no immigration to the UK until the fifties. Fact.
As for good for the economy don't forget this is measured in GDP. GDP can be calculated by adding up all of the money spent by consumers, businesses, and government in a given period.
Import (for example 5 million Chinamen) who spend their entire time selling each other coffee.
GDP goes up.
Unfortunately nowhere to house them, school their kids etc and A&E looks like down town Beijing!
Good for the economy?
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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