Prince Harry and that 'Paki' remark.
- 11 February 2009 00:0215169She may not be H but most of this thread is.
It tickles my tickely bits, mountain out of a mole hill and all of that.
TRIVIAL.
The response was epic.
Ian...grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet. - 11 February 2009 10:3215180Heh! May I tickle you a little more, Ian??
Seriously, there's certainly been quite a bit of chatting about all this ... I think too there are some ominous creaks and crevasses in the mountain.
An example. PaulB mentioned Ron Atkinson. He's the fellow who in that same phrase for which he was dismissed also said the f-word. In another incident he used a vulgar word for female parts, in a derogatory comment on another player.
Strong swearing is offensive to many people, and many would agree that demeaning of women is offensive. Was there an outcry about this; was he dismissed for this?
It raises a question. Might it be that there are people whom it is okay to insult or offend, and others people whom it isn't? Multiculturalism isn't merely ethnicity from "race". Backgrounds of class, age, sex, ability also have their different cultures. They certainly also still affect our chances in life - and provide tools by which others may judge, or prejudge us.
To me, this is rather like a sticking plaster over a gaping wound. It covers it up - but the wound is still underneath. The plaster doesn't heal the wound - the body does that. Indeed, if you leave a plaster on too long, you risk further infection, or delaying healing.
The societal body may need healing. But is the way to do that merely to create different outgroups - "dinosaurs" being an example - or to condemn one form of evaluative discrimination but condone others? I don't think so. That doesn't tackle origins, or promote understanding, equality, and diversity. It simply shifts the focus to a new target and perpetuates the same thing.The Dover War Memorial Project
www.doverwarmemorialproject.org.uk - 11 February 2009 18:5515219ron atkinson was sacked for his comments about a fench footballer.
never worked since. - 11 February 2009 21:3615248**** me, is this still carrying on????
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11 February 2009 21:4415256sure is bern. - 12 February 2009 11:3515266Maggie an interesting post. With regard to bad language, I reckon there has been a new wave of unacceptance. So the point you make
" was there an outcry about this!? "
is in fact happening. There has been an upsurge in caution on the likes of the BBC, because it has become staggeringly apparent there is some kind of major backlash against bad language and bad behaviour taking place.
Only two days ago I heard presenters on TV apologising for a bad language incident that had happened earlier on a programme. I hadnt seen the programme but caught the signoff. But as they were signing off they felt the need to bring the topic up again to apologise once again. Unheard of previously.
This is the voice of the public speaking. Huge, and we are talking huge, levels of complaints over poor behaviour recently has woken the BBC up. They previously had not been in tune with the changing acceptance and standards of their viewers.
So times are changing, what will become of Gordon Ramsey?
email: dover7@msn.com - 12 February 2009 11:3715267b
Oops, excuse me! Trigger-happy "submit" finger ...
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www.doverwarmemorialproject.org.uk - 12 February 2009 11:5515268Im sure I saw a long post there a minute ago Maggie...was I hallucinating ?? I was just about to read it...then whoosh..
email: dover7@msn.com - 12 February 2009 13:2715271
- 12 February 2009 14:0915273Hilarious, if only for the fact it keeps this thread going!
Once again I'm sure it wasn't malicious, just wonderfully ignorant. - Brian Dixon
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12 February 2009 14:1615274dog and bone gutter press story,any thing to sell papers whos turn is it next. - 12 February 2009 15:0015277I gather he has to go on some kind of race awareness course now.
Good old Henry, helping keep another couple of people off the dole queue.The Dover War Memorial Project
www.doverwarmemorialproject.org.uk - 12 February 2009 18:4315286How absurd. Those who need to go on a course are those claiming to be 'offended' by what he said, a course on getting a life!
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12 February 2009 20:0615291but they need to grow up first then get a life. - Ross Miller
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12 February 2009 22:4415312Sadly PH is a total un-reconstructed thick twit as he is not only insensitive to how others perceive him but also incapable of learning from previous media hoo-haas about what he says
* edited to remove offensive? word"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 12 February 2009 23:0015316kindly report to the tower ross.
we will discuss the matter with you within the next thirty years. - Ross Miller
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12 February 2009 23:0915317righty-ho on my way"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 12 February 2009 23:1215318Ross - I would far rather socialise with him, regardless of his social position, than meally mouthed, dull politically correct featherheads. He would be much better company and if what he is is 'unreconstructed' then thats counts me in too and I would be proud to be described that way.
The very description you used, 'un-reconstructed' has a stink of pc brainwashing about it and that is a totally objectionable. - Ross Miller
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12 February 2009 23:5115319Barry you choose yours I will choose mine.
I was referring to his inability to recognise the potential of his position but if you choose to consider it in terms of being pc etc. your call.
I find your inability to recognise that words can cause offence and that those of us with any sense of common courtesy ought to consider what words we use and their impact on those who hear or read them before we use them to be verging on the breathtaking. However that is your take on the world..."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 13 February 2009 00:1715320I think it's called a backlash Ross. If you object to insensitive or objectional behaviour you get called pc. I'd rather than be pc than tolerate the careless words because I know that it leads to shouts, kicks and worse. There is a guy on Newsnight just now saying that he was in the navy for years and the suggestion that what harry said is barrackroom banter is rubbish, these are derogatory remarks.