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I have a large index of surname lists for Dover and E. Kent people, and will be pleased to send any lists to you if you are researching your family. A - Z.
A lot of references are from newspapers 1830s, and first war photos of servicemen are included.
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Aww Kath you are a sweetheart..
My lines are the Carpenters (jewellers) and the Smales ( one died on Admiralty Pier)
So anything you find will be better than nothing....
We then disappear for about 100 years and come back!!
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sansum being mine
sure we would all love to know
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Jenni - I have no SMALE refs apart from what you have on Ancestry !
will send you my Carpenter lists by e-mail. I presume this James, below is yours.
George Henry CARPENTER, boot & Shoemaker, 56 Maison Dieu Road
James CARPENTER*, Watch & Clock maker 148 Snargate Street
(DOVER COMMERCIAL LIST PO Directory 1878)
*In 1901 J. Carpenter is also listed as a jeweller, at 30 High Street
As you see from this item, there were Carpenters in E.Kent for many generations:
NORTHBOURNE E. Kent, early wills, Archdeaconry Ct of Canterbury:
William CARPENTER ref A. Book 5, No.5 (pre 1500)
There were also some members of the Dover Baptist Church listed, c.1800-50
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Keith - very few refs - families probably came into Kent late 1800s? Or later perhaps.
I don't have the christian name of the Bombadier whose photo is in the Dover Express (see below).
SANDSOME, Richard, of Hammersmith married Mary BRITTENDEN of Sheerness, by Banns 28 Apr 1720
(Minster-in-Sheppey BTs)
SANSUM, Bombardier, awarded D. C. M. for bravery. - Report - NO PHOTO (Dover Express 21-1-1916 p. 5)
SANSUM, Bombardier, RA, (PHOTO) awarded DCM, (details), a Dover man (Dover Express 28-1-1916 p. 8)
1891 Census shows: Living at the School House, WORTH, Kent.
Wm SANSOM 37 schoolmaster born Devon Offwell
Eliza Jane " wife age 40 schoolmistress born Somerset Drayton
Annie May " dau 14 born Kent, Lower ??
Dairy M.E. " dau 11 scholar born Worth
Edith K. " dau 9 " " "
Gertrude M." dau 7 " " "
William E.K. " son 4 " " "
Ethel E. " dau 2 " "
In 1911 William still at the school house. Daughter Edith Kate was teaching in Folkestone, living at 100 Radnor Park Rd.
There are one or two more families of SANSOM/SANSUM came into Kent from London, if the one above is not connected.
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And the Matchams of the bay please.
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Kath, my grandmother is by surname Golder, as his her mother.
The Golders lived in Dover in the 16th century. Do you know if they appear here before then?
My granddad (dad's father) is a Byford, who originate from Essex, but there are the Tuthill and Sharpe families among some great great grandmothers. Do you know how long they have been around here?
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VIC:
- have you got the same e-mail that you had 6 months ago or did you change it recently?
I will send you my MATCHAM lists by e-mail.Quite a lot of refs.
Meantime, do any of the following names ring a bell?
1901 Dover (St Barts parish) 16 Pembroke? Terrace, Edred Road.
John MATCHAM 59 married bricklayer b. Barham
Eliza E. " 55 Dover
Annie E. " 25 b. Dover (all rest born Dover)
Henry S. " 22 Tailor
Ernest J. " 20 Bricklayer
Ellen E. " 18 Boot Machinist
John R. " 15 Solicitor's Clerk
Stephen J. " 15 Florist's Assistant?
Charles G. " 11
1911 Census, 10 South Road, Dover
John MATCHAM 69 Bricklayer b. Barham
Eliza 64* Dover
John 25 single Dover
Charles 21 single Dover
(* census states that there were 13 children born alive, 8 are still living and 5 have died).
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Alexander D:
I have quite a lot of GOLDER refs, will send them to you by e-mail.
There is an early Freeman of Dover you may not have (the early freemen's records are not indexed with the ones after about 1666):
Also a signature on a petition at the time of the civil unrest. Probably the same man ?
Jo. GOLDER, gent signed Petition to the House of Commons, from Dover, which was signed "by gentrie, ministers, freeholders and subsidymen of Kent" date about Sep-Nov.1641
(Proceedings in Kent 1640, book p.62, Dover Ref.Library)
John GOLDER "Dwelling in Dover" 15.Jan.1601
(Dover Freemen Roll - NB this part of the Freemen's Roll is not indexed)
- these early names do not say that was the date they were admitted freemen, or whether they were just 'listed as freemen' on that particular date, I think the latter refers.
Before the parish registers began (about 1557) the wills indexes go back quite a long way, at Canterbury archives.
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Alexander:
SHARPE refs, I have four lists !! Would you like them all ??
Here are one or two items:
James SHARP and others, at "General Sessions which ended Friday last - for felonies -
sentenced to be transported for 7 years" (Kentish Gazette 21 to 25 Jan 1788 back page)
(Captain SHARP of Dover):
HOVER, J. (Leading Stoker) PHOTO. Wife & children at 3 Dickson Road, Dover. Son in law of the late Captain SHARP of Dover (Dover Express 2 Nov 1917 p.8)
J.W.SHARP: "Death, in the Dover Union, Jan 10th, Mr J.W. SHARP the popular comic singer well known in Dover" (Dover Telegraph Jan.12 1856)
SHARP - four PHOTOS:
Private E.S.SHARP, killed (3rd son)
Private A.G. SHARP in France (eldest son)
Private W.T. SHARP in Salonioca
Private F. SHARP in England
Sons of Mr and Mrs A. SHARP (Dover Express 5.7.1918 p.6)
some Seamen's tickets are on the list too.
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TUTTHILL - not a Kent name, I don't have any, but there were TUTTHILLS in the 1920 directory:
R. TUTTHILL, 2 Osmunda Villas, Cherry Tree Avenue
G. TUTTHILL, 3 Nightingale Road.
BYFORD: I don't have any refs.
but connected to Dover, I see on Ancestry website: an Emily Harriet Jane BYFORD (PHOTO on Ancestry), born Apr 1864 was a daughter of Wm BYFORD (1827-1901) and Maria PICKLES (1842-1905).
William born 1827 was a son of Wm BYR+FORD (1796 -) who married Mary (1801-1861).
Emily Harriet Jane BYFORD had siblings called Mary, Henry, Alice, Alfred, and Arthur,
maybe one of these was your gt-gt-grandmother. Not been in E.Kent very long, I don't think. Not a local name.
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Thanks, Kath.
The Byfords - my dad was born as Byford - are from Essex.
They came to Dover in the 19th century.
Somewhere I read that the name might originate in Surrey.
The Golder you mention in the 1600s is one of my grandfathers. He signed that petition indeed.
There may well have been a Golder among the followers of Wat Tyler, who marched on London and challenged the Norman aristocracy. And another one who signed the petition to King Henry VIII warning him not to dare touch Saint Mary's church in the Town, which the king had intended demolishing.
The story goes that the King got afraid and for the first time in his life conceded to popular outrage and backed off.
As for the Sharpe family, I'll look into it and let you know tomorrow who the lady is, but her name is spelt with an e on the end, if I recall rightly.
Will also look into the Tutthill family to see more details.
One gt. gt. granddad is William Randall, who came over from Sheerness where he serviced the Fleet, and obtained the licence to run the Railway Inn near the Dover Port in 1877 or thereabout.
Will be back tomorrow with the information. Many thanks!
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Hi Kath,
Kennetts, Pilcher, and Amos is mine
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Thank you Kath,Yes I do not have the same email anymore,as some of the Dover forum members know I got hacked into ,some weeks ago two times in seven days and that took all off my pc ,so now I do not give out my email online. I will look into the names you have put up and get back,again thank you so much,I do know that way back my family helped pay for Nelsons fleet and that is in the books about Nelson.
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VIC:
My e-mail is on the Dover Forum details, you can e-mail me Vic and then I can send you all the refs.
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Alexander -
In 1911 there is an Ernest Albert BYFORD, coach body maker, born Ipswich Suffolk,
with wife Nellie Kate (born Suffolk Beccles),
Albert Charles born Dover
and Geo Arthur born Dover
(at 7 Old Park Road Dover)
perhaps connected?
Sharp/Sharpe - before most people could write, name would be either with or without an 'e'.
After the early GOLDER freeman, there would no doubt be a whole string of GOLDER freemen in the records (on film Dover ref library).
RANDALL:
William Hay RANDALL, pilot, 23 Park Street, Dover (Post Office Directory 1878)
RANDALL No.8 (memorial inscription, Cowgate Cemetery, St Marys Parish, Dover, list at Dover ref library)
Mrs RANDALL, 50 St James's Street, Dover - occupier of house which is to be sold by private contract
(Dover Telegraph 8 Oct 1836 p.1 col.1)
some Dover Baptist Church members.
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Sheila: KENNETT - will send lists - this is an old Kent name.
A few refs:
Thos Edw. KENNETT, (Able Bodied). War Dead . PHOTO. (back page Dover Express l8.12.l9l4)
Wm KENNETT, Mayor of Sandwich, l467. (from Guide Book)
"Last evening some persons entered the hall, at the residence of Mr. KENNETT, in St.James's Street, from which they stole 8 or 9 great coats, umbrellas, and other property. The thieves, in Dover, appear bold rogues, in venturing on the preserves of both Town Clerk and Clerk to the Justices. As yet, no clue has been obtained of the depredators in either case." (Dover Telegraph 29.ll.l845 p.8)
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Sheila:
PILCHER - I will send lists. Lots !
A few refs:
A.G. PILCHER (Sapper) of Dover "Saved" (on the lost ship "Hythe") a Group PHOTO (Dover Express 26.l.l9l5 p.6)
Elizabeth PILCHER (servant) 24.2.1670 paid 6d. towards redemption of English captives out of ye Turkish Slavery (WALDERSHARE Regr No.1)
Mrs. PILCHER: On Thursday last died at Tilmanstone, Mrs. PILCHER, in the 92nd year of her age; she has left surviving her husband in his 94th year to mourn her loss". (Kentish Gazette Oct l8 l79l)
Anne PILCHER aged 100 years 8 months BURIED l7 Feb l790 (BOXLEY BTs LD)
Alice PILCHER, widow, in the 104th year of her age - death at Sheldwich Lees on Tues 25 ultimo. Her remains interred at Sheldwich, near those of her 2 husbands (viz. Jasper COLE and Nathaniel PILCHER of River) by whom she had 9 children, whose children and grandchildren have increased to upwards of 140 in number. She was a native of Burwash in Sussex, her maiden name being FLINT. She retained the use of her faculties to an amazing degree and till the last 2 years could see to read without spectacles."
(Kentish Gazette May 12 1797, back page col.4)
John PILCHER: "On Wednesday while a man named John PILCHER was excavating the ground for cellarage at the foot of Castle Hill, the chalk gave way and burying him to the collar bone broke one of his legs and severely injured his body. With the surgical assistance he received there is every prospect of his recovery." (Dover Telegraph 2 June 1838 page 8 col.4)
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AMOS for Sheila:
sending you list. Lots of different spellings for name.
Here are a few refs:
Mary Elizabeth AMOS baptised (supposedly) on 7 Oct 1790 at Dover, Kent. Her father was, by family tale an Armourer at Dover Castle and nearly 7-ft tall. She married William SWINYARD at St Marys Dover on 18 June 1809 and although they moved to Guildford, Surrey a couple of their children were baptised in St Marys Dover. She had a brother James AMOS. (info in KFHS Journal June 1989 page 429)
Edward T. AMOS (private), of the Buffs, of 2 Clarendon Gardens, Dover. commended. PHOTO of him (Dover Express 10 Sep 1915 p.8)
AMOS or AMES, Elizabeth - murdered her husband. "Wednesday was committed to St.Dunstan's Gaol near this city, by I.Hinde, gent, Coroner: Elizabeth AMOS charged with the wilful murder of her husband Stephen AMOS of East Langdon" (Kentish Gazette Fri.Oct 7 l796 p.4 col.4 near bottom)
Eliz. AMOS (nee FITTALL) who murdered her husband. Jan.10 1797 Qtr.Sessions - remains for Assizes. (Also see Tues Oct 11 1796 Kentish Gazette back page col.3 near bottom)
Geo Thos AMOS head married 53 Artist P. born Dover
Mary Ann JENNER (AMOS crossed out) (wife crossed out: 'companion' inserted) Unm. 28 b.Cranbrook
Eugine JENNER son 2 b.Dover
Florence Mary JENNER dau 1 mon. b.Dover
Emily Jane JENNER visitor Unm. 30 Milliner b.Cranbrook
Mary Ann EATON serv. U. 50 Nurse b.Benenden
(at 12 Snargate St. Dover St.Mary 1881 Census - NB Artist P = photographer. This is a well known Dover Photographer)
Henry AMOS born Dover, "a soldier, went missing during the Napoleonic wars, and was presumed dead. His wife (Elizabeth) married Richard BOWLES by whom she had a daughter Esther, before her former husband re-appeared and she returned to him. Henry and Eliz. AMOS had 4 more children before Henry AMOS died, leaving her a widow in actuality. She then "re-married" BOWLES by whom she had another daughter - Jemima Weymouth BOWLES, and a son Richard BOWLES, after they reached the Cape" (ie Emigrated 1820 in Menezes' party to Cape of Good Hope) in the ship "Weymouth" ("Settlers Handbook by M.D.Nash pp.91-92)
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Thank you Kath, I will do what you said.