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To quote a friend:
"My grandmother started walking five miles a day when she was 60.
She's 97 today and we have no idea where she is."
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Kath, consequent to this thread, I've received contacts from local Dovorians with information about previous generations, namely the Tutthill/Spear(e) related family.
The information is still incoming, and is proving extremely helpful to my family tree extension.
So once again, well done!
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Thanks Alexander, one piece of information always leads to another...
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I don't know why but one of the seams at Tilmanstone Colliery was called the Beresford seam.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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wasn't there a beresford- pit(no pun) living around here at one time, jeane may have more information on this.
Brian Dixon
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i think you might be right howard.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thanks brian, digging into the deeper recesses of what passes for my mind i think his first name was arthur.
whether that has any connection to the seam is another matter.
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good question there howard.but arthur does ring a bell.
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Re: Beresford Road in Dover, :
This road, which joins Common Lane River, is named after Admiral Charles William de la poer Beresford a famous admiral who was in his hey-day at the time the road was laid out.
He commanded the Channel Fleet in 1907. I thought the coal seam was named after the same person, but (quote):
"BERESFORD SEAM at the boring at Fredville (1905) was named after the late Mr Beresford WRIGHT, of the Butterly Company, largely interested in the coalfield"
Christian name Arthur: Perhaps it is Arthur BURR of the Colliery you were thinking about Howard? He was manager of Kent Coal Concessions Ltd. appointed 1906.
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Keith Sansum1
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kathy
speaking with my family it appears my grandad was the one you mentioned that was awarded the DCM for bravery.
his wife was offeed a special funeral for his bravery
but she said no she didnt want all the fuss!!!!!!!!
also found out my dad had an interest in the druids!!!!!
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Thank you Kath for your email; unfortunately I haven't had time to go through it in detail yet- but I shall - thanks again.
Dr Beresford-Jones was my aunt's father, there is a ward at K&C hospital named after him.
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PRESUME YOU MEAN KEITHB peter
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No I mean Kath H.
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sorry peter
i was tired last night lol
misread it lol
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Glad you sorted out the owner of the DCM was your grandfather, Keith.
Any more names to look up ?
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Family history: the shifting secrets of our genealogies - in pictures
"Each family history is woven with hidden threads, unspoken secrets which run through genealogies from generation to generation. The historian Deborah Cohen has been delving into unseen archives to examine how attitudes to privacy have changed over the last 200 years, to explore what families have tried to hide and why. Here she charts the shifting continents of shame with portraits of lives shaped by untold stories..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/gallery/2013/jan/21/family-history-secrets-genealogy-pictures#/?picture=402743127&index=0 Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
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I note on the 19 Aug 2012 you were offering to look up your surname lists for Dover people. As your last posting appears to be 4th Sept 2012 I wonder if the lookup offer still stands. My interest is for my family who were in Dover 1830 - 1880. Regards Brian
Brian
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I shall be pleased to look up refs for any name, anytime, Brian
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Guest 950- Registered: 21 May 2013
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Kath - I've replied to your question re my Cavell post, & yes please I would love anything you have on Cavell and also Offen.
Many thanks
Vange.
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Vange -
Some CAVELL refs - there were also some CAVELLS in Eastry Union, I think they were 'of Eastry' but may be connected to the Deal ones.
Ann CAVILL (formerly Ann TAYLOR) listed as Additional Member -- 1774
(Deal Independent Church records, PRO ref: RG4.1003)
(Mrs) Ann CAVELL, lodging house, 97 High Street, Dover (PO Directory 1878)
Henry CAVEL of Deal widower married Eliz. JONES of Northbourne spr 28.11.1765 by Lic (NORTHBOURNE REG)
Henry CAVELL, fisherman, enrolled a freeman of Dover on 4.8.1775. by marriage to Elizabeth d.o. Thomas BELSEY an ancient freeman. (Dover freemen's records, which see for more CAVELL information)
Henry CAVELL of Dover: occupier of house to be auctioned (Kentish Gazette 27.12.1808 p.1 col.4)
Mr John CAVELL Junr. Of Beach Street, Deal: occupier of ironmonger's and brazier's shop to be sold (Kentish Gazette Tu 19 Jan 1808 p.1 col.5)
M.CAVELL aged 18 died 24 May at Deal, son of Mr CAVELL painter (Dover Telegraph 31.5.1834 p.8 col.4)
Mary Jane CAVELL in 1840 married Joseph Thomas ERRIDGE (born c.1820). Joseph was a son of Thomas Barwick ERRIDGE and Amelia. Joseph Thomas and his wife Mary Jane went to Australia about 1859, and to N.Zealand 1862 where he was connected to the Police Force in Otago, NZ (info from the late Mrs J.Dalton of Deal)
Robert CAVILL, overseer: his account for 1613 on loose sheet (churchwardens accounts) He paid 3s.0d. for "sheet and burial" for widow SEAS. ("Birchington, its history" by Walker 1991 p.69)
Robert CAVELL of Birchington, Blacksmith Licence (Jan.10.1610) to marry Alice GOLDFINCH of Bearstead widow, to be at St Mary Bredman's Canterbury (Cowper)
Robert CAWVILL: 1 Corslet, 1 Musket
("Birchington muster roll 1614 - Archd. Cant.Vol.XII also Muster Roll Oct 12,13,1614 from Domestic State Papers James I, Vol.78 No.32, quoted in "Birchington, its History" by Walker 1991 p.17-18)
and also:
Robert CAVELL, soldier(s) billeted with him Jan-Mar 1627 for 6 weeks at Birchington
(Domestic State papers, Chas.I.Vol.108 No.59, quoted in "Birchington, its History" as above)
(Sergeant) T.E.CAVELL and Bombadier BARBER on duty for the week, 5th Cinque Ports Artillery Volunteers, Deal
(Deal Mercury 28.4.1877, on same page as deaths notices)
T.H.CAVELL, 154 Snargate Street, Dover, Hairdresser/Perfumr (Kent Directory 1837)
Thomas CAVELL and Elizabeth his wife, FROM St Clement Sandwich TO Deal St Leonards 14.5.1781 (DEAL Settlements)
Thomas Hatton CAVELL, Hairdresser, took apprentice Wm Edward WELLARD (with consent of father Wm WELLARD of Deal, Kent, cabinetmaker) by Indenture 1.6.1829, for 7 years apprenticeship. Fee £14 and £15 both to be paid later. Inrolled 5.6.1829. (Dover Apprentice Enrolments, Kent archives, only part are on film at Dover Ref.Library)
Wm. CAVILL and his family FROM Woodnesborough, Kent TO Deal St Leonards 21.2.1705 (Deal settlements)
Wm CAVILL aged 36 of Deal died Sat.16 Oct. His wife Sarah aged 46 died Sun.17 Oct
(Kentish Gazette Oct 19-22 1790 p.4 col.4)
Mr Wm CAVELL, 18 Middle Street Deal: notice of business to be disposed of, carpenter and joiner
(Dover Telegraph 1 Sep 1838 p.1 col.3)
CAVELL No.411 (Memorials list for St Georges Deal churchyard, KFHS)
CAVELL of Deal 1746 (listed in 1726-1750 licences to marry by Cowper)
Mr CAVELL - shop - Deal- Christmas goods for sale (Dover Telegraph 2.1.1847 p.8 col.3)
Messrs. CAVELL of Deal mentioned as funeral directors, at a funeral at Tilmanstone Oct 1914.
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