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Hello Kath!
Thanks for the emails.
Having just checked, I realised the name is not Sharpe, but Speare. Sorry
Nellie Kate Speare is the lady you mention above who married Ernest Albert Byford, who came from Suffolk, but originates from Essex.
Nellie Speare has a parent called Speare and another parent called Tutthill. One of them is her father, the other is her mother. I couldn't determine which.
James William Randell is the shipwright from Sheerness who ran the Railway Inn in Dover, and his daughter Sarah Randell married Arthur Golder, and is my great grandmother.
Their daughter Ellen Golder married the son of the above Ernest Byford and Nellie Speare, and is my grandmother.
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#22
Thanks Kath,
I got your email!! James is mine :) And yes my tree is online to view.
Jen
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Alexander:
Nellie K. BYFORD birth about 1882, (death 5th July 1943 Dover), Probate 21.8.1943 at Llundudno Registry?
BYFORD, Ernest Albert age 25, wife Nellie Kate age 28, at 7 Old Park Road Dover 1911 he was born Ipswich
BYFORD Ernest Albert aged 15, with parents Thomas and Emily BYFORD, 57 and 53 1901 at Matching, Essex
BYFORD Ernest Albert aged 5 with parents Thomas 41 and Emily 43, Thos a night watchman, 1891 at Matching Essex
BYFORD, Thomas and Emily living in Matching Essex, with family 1881
BYFORD, Thomas 'son' age 21 ag labr living with parents Daniel and Elizabeth BYFORD, a meal man, own shop 1871
BYFORD, Thomas aged 11, with parents Daniel and Eliz. BYFORD, Daniel a Grocer, at Matching Green, High Laver1861
BYFORD, Daniel with wife and young family, including Thomas aged 1, living in same household as parents William and Mary
BYFORD, 68 and 66
If you are a subscriber to Ancestry you can see a lot of information on there, and photographs, or maybe you know someone who is. Hope this helps.
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#24
Thanks Kath! That's great of you!
In fact Ernest Byford was a few years younger than Nellie, 3 years younger, and on the marriage certificate he gave an earlier date of birth!
The ancestry agency I contacted years ago found this out.
Well it seems you found out a whole history of the Byfords in Essex. That will certainly help me further.
Essex: does this mean I'm an East Saxon?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#25
regrettably alex it makes you a chav, you will need to pop into argos or a pawnbrokers to purchase some suitably chunky jewellery then to halfords for some fluffy dice.
if you own a car please remember to sound the horn for no reason whatsoever.
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Thanks Kath, some of this info I have on my tree, just looking for some of the others to update
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Kath, have just found out that the Tutthill family is first found in Essex where they held a family seat from very ancient times, before the Norman conquest in 1066.
Speare is an Olde English pre 7th century name.
So that brings my ancestry back to pre-Norman on the Essex side!
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Interestingly, the Golder family is first found in Lanarkshire in Scotland, and apparently the first Speare family is found next door in Renfrewshire, also Scotland.
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#29
It's all very interesting !
A few things to consider:
To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root.
My family coat of arms ties at the back......is that normal?
Shake your family tree and watch the nuts fall!
I looked into my family tree and found I was a sap.
I'm searching for myself; Have you seen me?
If only people came with pull-down menus and on-line help....
A family tree can wither if nobody protects it's roots.
A new cousin a day keeps the boredom away.
Any family tree produces some lemons, some nuts, and a few bad
apples.
Ever find an ancestor hanging from the family tree?
Genealogist are time unravelers.
Genealogy is like playing hide and seek; They hide, I seek!
Genealogy: Tracing yourself back to better people.
I want to find ALL of them! So far I only have a few thousand.
I should have asked them before they died!
I think my ancestors had several 'Bad heir' days.
I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNEflower.
Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as progress.
It's an unusual family that hath neither a lady of the evening or a
thief.
Many a family tree needs pruning.
Genealogist live in the past lane.
Cousins marrying cousins: very tangled roots!
Genealogy.....will I ever find time to mow the lawn again?
I researched my family tree.......... and apparently I don't exist!
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#30
kathy
the dcm award i think was my dad
would it be possible to be sent a copy of that article?
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Having a great gt. granddad who was four times mayor of Dover in the 16 hundreds is some knowledge to build upon. If he could do it...
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Keith -
I don't have a copy of the DCM newspaper piece but if you go to Dover ref library with full details of the date, page no. they should be able to get a print of it (or both of them) from the film of the newspaper, it should be no problem. Modest charge for the copies. Sometimes these photos in the first war were good and sometimes poorly reproduced in the paper,it varies.
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#33
My son!
Kath, nope!
Ernest Albert Byford was born September 1874 in Ipswich.
Aged 28, he married Nellie Kate Speare, aged 21, in 1902 at Zion Chapel, Dover.
The dear man was 7 years older than his young wife.
His parents were not Thomas and Emily Byford, but Charles Byford, iron merchant, born in Bradfield, Essex, married to Agnes, 2 years younger than himself, born in Ipswich, Suffolk.
They had 9 children, of whom dear Ernest is the eighth. And a servant, Sarah, lived in the household.
The 1881 census for Suffolk reveals the family were living at 68 Lower Orwell Street, St. Mary Key.
It was the son of Ernest Byford, George Arthur my granddad, who declared himself 3 years older on his marriage certificate, when marrying my grandmother Golder.He was born in 1906, and married at the age of 19.
So as it stands now, Charles being from Essex and Agnes from Suffolk, I am East Saxon and East Anglian, as well as Kentish.
This should mean: Saxons, Angles and Jutes, a full representation of Olde England!
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Thanks Alex, you have sorted it out !
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Lincolnshire isn't far from Suffolk, Kath.
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Apart from Garstin we have Brett, Tredgett and Beresford-Jones.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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Peter -
BRETT - where do I start - this is an E.Kent name, here are a few from my index - I will send you the complete lists:
Mrs Anne BRETT, in 105th year, died "lately" at Ipswich. Born at Boxley Kent 20 July 1732
(Dover Telegraph 13 May 1837 p.8 col.4)
G.W.B. BRETT (Lieut. Colonel) killed (Dover Express Sep 4 1914 p.5 col.6)
James BRETT, agent for "Kent" of King Street, Dover - (ie Fire and Life Assurance Agents) (Kent Directory 1837)
Nicholas BRETT, chirurgion, of Deale - PCC Will 1681 Fol.86 (PCC Wills Indexes)
(Captain) William BRETT and Frances, of Tilmanstone: burial on 27 Nov 1759 of their daughter Mary, infant
(EYTHORNE BTs)
Licence: William BRETT of St Margaret Rochester ba 34, Licence (15.5.1754) to marry Frances HARVEY of Tilmanstone spr, 21, to be at Tilmanstone (Cowper) [NB. Married at Tilmanstone 23.5.1754]
William BRETT - taken over pawnbroker's business of Joseph LONG (Dover Telegraph 31.5.1851 p.1)
BRETT numbers 84A, 90 and 378, (memorial inscriptions Cowgate Cemetery Dover St Marys, KFHS/Dov Library.)
From Post Office Directory 1878, under DOVER:
(Miss) Elizabeth BRETT, corn/flour Dealer, Adrian Street;
George BRETT, farmer, Buckland Farm, London Road;
George BRETT, ticket writer, 17 London Road,
Henry BRETT, "Mail Packet", 15 Woolcomber Street
James BRETT, shopkeeper, Durham Hill,
Martha Mary Ann BRETT (Mrs), lodging house, 1 St James's Street.
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There are copies of bastardy papers citing William Ransley as the father of an illegitimate son of Mary Brett. William was to be apprehended and brought before justices to answer this charge on 5th July 1800. Of course, William was hanged in August 1800 so wouldn't be around to make the bastardy payments! The Brett family lived in Kingsford Street, Mersham, a very short way from Ransley House and seem to have been connected to the Ransleys.
At CKS at Maidstone there is a batch of papers known as the Brett-Ransley Papers.
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And of course the DOVER PIRATE:
Thomas BRETT, the "Dover Pirate":
Admiralty Session. Old Bailey. Monday November 29th
The Trial of Thomas BRETT: "The prisoner was indicted that he, on the 7th day of March last, together with Joseph EDGERLY, James NICKSON, Daniel WALKER and William WILKINS of Dover; George HARTLEY, Samuel WAPPING alias "Flying Jack", and a man of the nick-name of Pye APPS of Hastings, on the high seas, within the jurisdiction of the High Admiral, and about 3 miles from Dungeness, had piratically robbed a Dutch hoy of 12 cakes of beeswax, 11 salted bullocks' hides and three anchors of Geneva, the property of persons unknown.
"The indictment was opened by Mr GARROW for the Attorney General and the case was stated to the Jury by Sir William SCOTT, the King's Advocate.
"It appeared that Joseph EDGERLY had shot himself in Dover gaol the evening after he was apprehended; but the following facts came out from the testimony of James NICKSON an accomplice, who was admitted in evidence for the Crown, and from two free and voluntary confessions made by the prisoner on his examination before John LATHAM Mayor of Dover.
"On the 9th March 1789 the persons named in the indictment having armed themselves with pistols loaded with swan-shot, and large bludgeons, set sail from Rye harbour, on board a lug-sail boat belonging to and commanded by Joseph EDGERLY, with a determined resolution to plunder any of the subjects of their high Mightinesses that should come in their way. For this purpose they steered towards Dungeness where they observed a Dutch hoy lying at anchor, with 7 or 8 Dutch sailors on board. After having reconnoitred her for some time they lay by until the dusk of the evening should favour their design. Accordingly about 6 o'clock the prisoner and two others boarded her and showed their pistols to the Dutch sailors, commanding them immediately to go below, which command the prudent Dutchmen quietly obeyed, and abandoned the cargo of their hoy to the depredation of the pirates. On searching the hold however they only thought proper to take away that part of its contents which was mentioned in the indictment which they brought into a Gut called Providence, lying between the two Romney harbours. The next morning they were hoisted on shore and carts were provided to carry them away. The goods were afterwards sold and the produce equally divided at the rate of £4. 10s. each between the parties.
"Mr Baron THOMPSON summed up the evidence to the Jury with infinite precision and they found the prisoner guilty'; but they requested that Sir James MARRIOT would recommend him to the King's Mercy, as they conceived there was a possibility of his having been seduced and drawn in to accompany the gang upon this adventure by the arts of EDGERLY who appeared to have been the ringleader throughout the whole transaction."
(Kentish Gazette Dec 1 - 4 1789 p.2 col.4):
"In consequence of Sir James MARRIOT's report of the pirates on Wednesday last, the following were ordered for execution on Tuesday 5th January next, viz: Hugh WILSON, Edward WELCOME, Wm HOBBINS, John CLARK, and Thomas BRETT."(Kentish Gazette 18-22 Dec 1789 back page, col.3):
"The pirates, executed on Monday are to be hung in chains; one at Dover and the rest on the banks of the Thames between Limehouse and Gravesend. BRETT, the Dover pirate, when he got into the cart at Newgate, on Monday shook hands with many of his friends, seemed quite composed and had a smile on his countenance; when he sat down in the cart he took off his hat and threw it to his friends. He was a well looking young man about six feet high and only 21 years of age." The other two called CLARK (mate of a Yarmouth-man) and HOBBINS, convicted with him.
(Kentish Gazette 5.1.1790 - 8.1.1790 p.4 cols 3 & 4)
"London": "Four or five pirates who were executed yesterday se'nnight are hung on gibbets (in iron chains), between Greenwich and Erith; the body of the other is sent down to Dover, to be hung up in chains at the end of the pier." (Kentish Gazette 8 - 12 Jan 1790 back page col.2, near bottom)
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#39
PETER -
Tredgett - seem to be mostly Essex, viz:
35 Rattray Road, Brixton 1911
Henry Tredgett 73 verger of St Matthews Church
Ada Dovey (daughter) 48
Walter Dovey 22
Winifred Dovey 17
Frederick Dovey 12
Elsie Dovey 7
None in my indexes.
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Peter -
Beresford-Jones. Only refs to Beresford:
BERESFORD, Charles William de la Poer, (Admiral Lord), 4th Marquis of Waterford, lived at "Thor & Haun" (now Beresford Hotel site - houses) gave his name to Beresford Lodge and Cap. In 1960s bookings made here by Sir Harold Wilson, Petula Clark and The Beatles ("Birchington, its history" by A.T.Walker 1991, p.152)
BERESFORD family of Bedgebury Park and life in Kilndown and Goudhurst 1836-1900
Paperback A4 by Wm J.C.Musgrave, Taywell, Goudhurst, Kent ISBN 09527822 -o - o
(Journal of Kent History March 1997 No.44)
DEATH registration, Tonbridge district:
Lilian Isabel Beresford-jones
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1877
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1972
Age at Death: 95
Registration district: Tonbridge
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5f
1911 Census: Great Sutton, Cheshire:
Lilian Isabel Beresford Jones
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Wolverhampton
Civil parish: Ledsham Great Sutton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: New Hey Great Sutton Cheshire
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Wirral
Lilian is listed with husband Harry Beresford-Jones aged 39, and family.
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