howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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imagine how much worse it would be if the wccp volunteers did not clean the river in spring and summer.
the environment agency are not responsible for litter in rivers.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Very true Ray but a lot of it is simply wind blown from peoples recycling bins, I often notice there is more after it has been windy, but that does not excuse those who stupidly and selfishly just drop their rubbish.
That mess by Halfords looks awful they should clear it before that also ends up in the river, it would only take a few minutes.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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Shopkeepers, years ago, took a pride in their surroundings and would help to keep clean and tidy.
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Lincolnshire Born and Bred
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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I agree, Kath, civic pride is everyone's responsibility.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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found this,seems suitable for the time being.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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Pictures (taken 8am this morning) of the main river flow over the weir to the small bridge at the back of Crabble Corn Mill but according to the Environment Agency and the Council this is not the main flow of the river.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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It might not officially be the main flow but that is a hell of a lot of water tumbling down there.
Thank you those are lovely pictures Harry, it is always nice seeing different and in this case spectacular views of the river.
Incidentally the Dour by Morrisons yesterday was very muddy looking so a lot of mud from the banks or river bed must have been stirred up.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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With water flowing that fast, the Mill wheel would be spinning like a Catherine wheel - hope no damage is being caused Harry.
Roger
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Roger, there is no water going past the wheel at present, it's still waiting to be repaired so most of the flow is going over that W weir, although there is a small amount of relief flow that can bypass the wheel.
What Harry is getting at in his comments is that when responsibility for the Dour passed from DDC to the Environment Agency a few years ago and it was classified a main river, the maps supplied by DDC indicated that the main river was the flow through the wheel, not the flow that Harry's pictures show! It is amazingly difficult to change that classification.
The River Dour Steering Group recently arranged a report on the mill pond and its management by an EA geomorphology specialist and that will be discussed at our meeting next week.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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Jan that is my point, the Mill and local residents say this is the mail flow of the River Dour as the river always flows over the weir and behind the Mill. The river at the front of the Mill only flows through if we run the wheel or open the sluice gate.
If it were not for the Mill pond and the Weir at the rear of the Mill then River and Alkham would be completely flooded, so why they will not accept that it is the main flow of the river Dour and therefor the Environment Agencies responsibility and not that of a few volunteers who try to keep the Mill going. is beyond us.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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Ray we do have open the header boards on the wheel side at present to take some of the water away but we are not using the wheel although some repairs have now been done to the wheel..
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Thanks Harry, I had forgotten what they are called!
Lets hope it's still flowing like that at the meeting to show the EA reps, if not make sure you bring some pics along!
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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D.D.C got it wrong as you say Ray when they handed it over to the Environment Agency but I and others do not accept that mistakes can not be put right. The trouble is the Environment Agency do NOT want it put right as it would cost them money and as I said they would rather put the responsibility onto.Crabble Corn Mill Trust which is run by volunteers.
Volunteers are deciding do we open the sluice gates at front and rear of the Mill, if we do then do we flood the Town or do we keep the slice gates closed and risk flooding River and Alkham. Volunteers should not be making that decision the Environment Agency should. Have we seen anything of them over the past month or so. NO! not one has come near and I have phoned them to get an answer machine, I have left messages but have I got a reply. No.
I just wonder what would happen if we all as Volunteers walked away and dropped the Keys off at D. D. C. who would take responsibility then.
Am I angry dam right I am.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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"Am I angry dam right I am."
I am not surprised you are angry and justifiably so, volunteers should not have to make such important decisions.
How such a daft decision was reached astounds me as I always thought mills were built by the main part of any river to make use of the strong continuous flow.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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of course it shouldn't be a decision for volunteers but i would imagine that environment agency staff are trying to be everywhere at the moment, doubtless the west country is taking first place.
i seem to remember mike webb lobbying for the dour to be given "main river" status, i am not sure what benefits are derived from it.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Howard, it is indeed a main river now which means it has to be considered by the Environment Agency in the same way as any other main river for things like flood risk, pollution levels, water quality, environmental quality etc, and also means it becomes eligible for funding pots that are only available to main rivers - we're just about to receive our first four figure sum to cover producing a 'plan of action' from all the relevant studies that have been done.
Also, we're working on setting up a website to publish all the relevant info, just need volunteers to run it - apply here!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting ray as i hadn't realised that the status brought funding with it.
about 4 years ago the environment agency were out in force in pencester gardens testing quality, catching fish then putting them back but not seen anything like that since.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Howard, I believe that work was part of
this project, I have been told that results will be published this year and show Dour trout to be very interesting genetically.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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would be fascinating ray as i was told years ago that the brown trout colony in the dour was the biggest in europe.
any knock on effects of inbreeding could prove interesting.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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