howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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could be something to do with the police getting involved.
the longer he stalls the likelier everyone will get fed up with the issue.
least that may be how he does think, could have a big shock coming.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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hopefully gb will act
but as DC says getting rid of the speaker won't change much
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there is nothing the pm can do to get shot of the speaker.
Brian Dixon
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there is,bring back hanging just for mps and speakers.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Speaker Martin is glued to the chair and clearly not intending to go anywhere, this despite extraordinary scenes in the Commons today. However there is something entirely suspicious about this particular christian being thrown to the lions. Isnt he being used as an easy fix scapegoat.
The real problem here is the lying cheating b**stards in the green seats. Every bleeding penny they could squeeze out of the electorate at every opportunity they squeezed and squeezed. they think giving it back makes amends. Not so. The whole population sees them as lying cheating so and so's.. only putting their hands up now because they have been caught.
Gawd we used to think the Euro Parliament was bad but they are rank amateurs in comparison to their cohorts in Westminster. Im not disillusioned in the mother of all parliaments but am disillusioned like never before in its occupiers.
Ross Miller
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This is one of the great offices of our parliamentary system and it has sadly been cheapened and tarnished by a spineless political yes man.
He is however, now totally isolated as even Gordon Brown has refused to continue to restate his support for him and both Cameron & Clegg publicly damning him. Unfortunately there is no parliamentary process for removing a speaker other than death or retirement (possibly enforced by his local party de-selecting him), it is parliamentary tradition not to run candidates against a sitting Speaker at a General Election, a tradition I suspect will not be upheld at the next election if he does not step down.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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paul
i think you will find that mr speaker is in the same league as the chaps and chapesses in the green seats.
he has gone out of his way to protect them.
the truth will all come out despite our elected reps waiting for it all to die down.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard,you are beggining to worry me you are to sound like vic in post 27.
Did anyone see the pantomime at Westminster? The Speaker bought himslrf a few minutes to try to think of an excuse by consulting a clerk. I almost expected someone to shout "he's behind you" to the clerk...............
Terry Nunn
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Apart from one or two stubborn old cusses the mp's are putting up their hands and saying "Sorry guv I made a mistake". I daresay if the guy who did the knifing in London Road had said he made a mistake he would have got off.
Two phrases come to mind, the rot starts at the top and the buck stops here.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There is a strong though unsubstantiated rumour that the Speaker will be making a resignation statement at 2.30pm today.
The question being asked on the blogs and in the papers is will the Speaker decide to take Brown down with him. We might find out about that over the next week or two....
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw,1 out 2 is bad enough.or are you still dreaming,the lib/dems will have the next prime minister as both labour and the torys cant be trusted.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Brian - dream on.
The LibDems are far from perfect Brian - according to the Sunday Times, there are three of their 60 odd MPs among the 20 worse 'sinners' compared to only 2 Tories (out of 200) and 15 Labour MPs (out of about 350).
Among the 'saints', the 20 with the lowest expense claims, there are 11 Tories, 1 independent and 8 Labour - no Libdems.
By any objective analysis, either statistically or in absolute terms, the Conservative have the best record from that.
Regardless anyway, that does not excuse anyone guilty of expense fiddling and all those who have done wrong should pay the price whatever Party they represent. And that has started to happen. We need the candidate lists for all parties decontaminated by the time of an election and that is now happening. I understand there are some moves afoot in Labour but Conservatives are moving quicker. Dont know whether the LibDems are dealing with their wrongdoers yet.
Douglas Hogg, of the moat fame, is now not standing again at the next election, so although his Association Officers backed him (big mistake, too loyal) I suspect his membership said diffferently and he has decided to go with at least some dignity.
Then also at least another Conservative MP facing de-selection (Anthony Steen I think his name is) and after DC's annoucement yesterday there will be more. Good, we need to clear out the discredited.
Back to this thread:
So the Speaker has resigned and will be gone on the 21st June and the election of another speaker will soon be under way.
Some are suggesting an interim speaker who is untainted by the scandal and who is stepping down at the next election so a new Speaker can be elected from the new House.
Anne Widdecomb is being spoken about....Interesting and sensible move I think.
One PS from the resignation of Martin. Word has it that it was no10 that pushed him. All credit to Brown for that if true but if so he is running the risk that Martin will seek revenge....interesting times.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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at least the lib/dems make more sense than tory/labour,less spin more gutsy thinking.doris karlof you are having a laugh.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i see that the name of douglas hogg was mentioned.
in his resignation speech he stated that there were a lot more mp's that had made bigger claims than him.
imagine saying that to the judge "your honour, i only held up 3 banks, you should be picking on the ones that have held up 4".
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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you are right howard, what a twerp, he still doesnt get it. How a great political family has come to this I really dont know, lord Hailsham must be turning in his grave over his grandson (as I believe Douglas Hogg is).
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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All that carried out these legal/illegal claims should be sacked
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought he was from a dynasty.
i seem to remember a prominent politician when i was a kid called quintin hogg.
my memory seems to vaguely recall him challening for the leadership against that posh bloke that lasted 5 minutes.
cannot remember his name.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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theres talk of deslection of mps who done the dirty.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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yes brian, but what constitutes doing the dirty?
most have worked their plunder within the rules.
however, i believe and hope that the constituency parties will do their job.