Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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11 October 2009
07:2330162I think poverty is a subject that could run for ever qas there are so many reasons and causes for it.
Corruption, greed, lack of social conscience, the list is endless.
I also agree that PC nonsense is just that - and dangerous too.
Roger
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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11 October 2009
17:5930205I wonder how Pakistanis everywhere viewed the distress that the young lady experienced when told that she looked like one of them. She was obviously not best pleased. If I were a Pakistani, I think I might feel rather miffed. Could it be that she herself is also guilty of unwitting racism? Got a full house then.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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11 October 2009
19:3430208I'd not thought of that side of it Ed.
Good point.
Roger
12 October 2009
10:5030249But the point is that Paki does not mean simply the same as Pakistani.
"disparing and offensive" term for "any emigrant to Britain from the Indian Subcontinent".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pakiGuest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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12 October 2009
13:5330259Point taken. It is a point with which we are all very familiar and it is a very good point as points go but I would point out that it is not the point which I was making.
I don't believe that she got distressed on behalf of all Pakistanis because her partner used the derogatory term paki which she knew in her heart of hearts was a term that the inhabitants of the sub continent would find offensive.
I originally suspected that she was shocked to be told that she looked like a person from Pakistan, referred to colloquially as a paki by a certain unsavoury sub strata of British society, because she had gone to a lot of trouble to present herself as a tanned goddess and felt the end result should put her above a mere mortal from Islamabad.
However, I have now googled and find that she has an Indian mother and a Moroccan father, plus the spray tan application mentioned, and have no idea whether this exotic mix would foster the innate belief in racial superiority which I uncharitably conjectured might be behind her tearful exit . Plus she is a woman and God only knows how their minds work.
I give up, forget I ever mentioned it.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 October 2009
17:2730268Nice post Ed.
Roger
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12 October 2009
17:3130269I've just looked up "paki" in my Oxford English dictionary and all it says is "paki" - an abreviation for pakistani.
Doesn't mention it is an insult or a derogatory term, just an abreviation.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 October 2009
17:5030274is it an up to date version roger?
they update these tomes fairly frequently as so many new words enter our language, and others have their usage changed.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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12 October 2009
21:1830293As i have said its not about being PC its about does it offend someone
surely thats where we draw the line isnt it?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 October 2009
21:5530305Why on earth are so many people so affraid of being offended?
That I really cant understand. Nothing wrong with being offended every now and then, you just have to develop a little bit of backbone and get over it. Soft, far too soft some people. I get offended all the time by Labour's pc society and love to have a go at it and expose it for the pathetic mess it is.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 October 2009
22:0130307nice try barry, political correctness came in to being the eighties, labour were not in charge then.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 October 2009
22:1230309Howard- pc came in not as a matter of Government policy, at least not in the 80's. PC emerged from the Universities (American initially) and thrived among left wing theorists and femenists.
One minor example still, in the Conservative Party, we do not patronise women by changing the language, for instance chairmen are still chairmen including our lady chairmen....
I remember when some Labour wally tried to call our lady Chairmen of DDC (Amelia Williamson) 'chair' - she was very scathing and put him right down. Dont remember, whether that was Keith or Sid at the time.... (Keith kept trying that one). We certainly poured a lot of scorn on that individual in the bar afterwards....
You will note that pc language invariably kow tows to left wing obsessions, not those of the right.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 October 2009
22:1930313the fact remains it infiltrated countries irrespective of who was in control.
the thatcherite government went along with it, the labour party were so weak at the time there is no way that they can be held responsible.
are you trying to say that mrs thatcher was so weak that she loose the sandal wearing, muesli munching people to change our society?
13 October 2009
07:2630327Perhaps we could all get over ourselves and stop using that denigrated term "pc"? Firtsly, there's nothing wrong with being politically correct - it is how people get elected; secondly, the term has been hijacked by the more facist among us to scare people into being afraid to challenge offensive terms for fear of being called, yes, "pc" and vilified; thirdly, what exactly is wrong with not wanting to offend? Not wanting to offend doesn't mean never offending, or not stating ones case - it means stating it courteously and intelligently, and sucking it up when one has to cause legitimate offence.
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13 October 2009
07:3630331Howard, with all due respect, the Thatcher or Major Governments did not 'go along with it'. They did not get all 'pc', that happened under the 'right on' cool Britannia, Blair. The evidence of that rests in the legislation and actions of the Conservative Governments of that period, Section 28 for instance was hardly pc.
I have to disagree Bern. We have had this discussion many times before. PC is used by those who want to supress discussion, accusations of rascism and homophobia are tools regularly deployed to stop people talking about certain subjects.
Yes people have a right to be offended and also should have a right to offend, that is what a free society is about. Someone who is offended getting the police involved and the police taking such complaints seriously is the depths to which the present Government have stooped to impose its values and that is sheer fascism.
13 October 2009
08:0930336They are not Government values (the term itself is contradictory), they are values seen by many as valid - the way they are policed is probably inappropriate, but that shouldn't stop us having the conversations or supporting decenty principles.
Am I to understand that you support Section 28, if you are citing it in a positive way?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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13 October 2009
08:4530338That Bern was an example of not being pc. But yes, I do not like the idea of homosexuality being 'taught' or in any way promoted in the schools though perhaps that legislation was a bit over the top as it may have hindered help to confused individuals. But then I do believe that there needs to be a big change in sex education in schools more generally, not just on that subject. It seems to me that permissive and 'liberal' approaches to the sex education are just making things worse.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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13 October 2009
16:1230363This is England. If you don`t like our customs and ways, go back to your own country, or someone else`s. But remember, be careful how you complain, as in some countries, you may disappear or be arrested. As Sir Winston Churchill once said, when he was booed by a woman. Madame, be thankful you`re in a country where you are free to do that without fear of being arrested. (or similar words). Half the trouble is the gutter media and press, neither of which I view or read.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Brian Dixon
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13 October 2009
19:3330396i get offended when i get called a brit,but do i lose over it no i dont.actully im european and proud of it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 October 2009
19:4330399what part of the ukraine do you originate from brian?