Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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2 October 2009
17:1529687We posted there roughly at the same time Ed so hope what I posted shows the situation we were in last night. I believe in another thread on here that the Dover Town Council looked at it on Tuesday night and they will have been able to have a more detailed look at it.... so if any DTC member has a fuller knowledge of the situation they might like to let us know. There wasnt much detail last night as its just not possible in an open public situation where the Harbour Board were not officially represented.
Brian Dixon
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2 October 2009
17:2029688ed,that my understanding of it,bill fawcuss did mention all 3 in one sentance.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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2 October 2009
17:3329690Paul B: Having a largely freebie holiday courtesy of Chris's relatives! Would just like to pin something specific down re small items such as the clocktower and propeller. At present, it is like trying to spear a crouton in your pea and ham soup!
Paul aka Scotchie: Absolutely. Not beyond the realms of human ingenuity.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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2 October 2009
17:4129691They have shipped a london bridge (Tower Bridge?) to America, and the Belle Tout lighthouse along the clifftop, so a clocktower along a promenade to save it should be no problem !!
Ed - Have a nice holiday, we were over by Lake Michigan last week :)
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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13 October 2009
19:5630401DHB want the clocktower removed I understand, because it`s fine architecture is showing that obnoxious lifeguard building up, on the beach, for the detestable eyesore it is!!! AND, that`s not just my opinion.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 October 2009
20:0130402you are not referring to the new seasports centre, are you colin?
i rather like that new design.
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13 October 2009
20:0930403Hi Howard. Is that the new building at the clocktower? It just looks like it`s been dumped there, and doesn`t blend in with anything. It would look okay probably in another location.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 October 2009
21:2930411i was rather taken by it colin, should be a great place when the top floor bar opens and we have panoramic views to accompany a drink.
the building is about a year and a half late already, one of the problems was getting steel.
the olympics in beijing were taking up all the worlds spare supply.
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13 October 2009
21:3630413It would be a boring world Howard if we all liked or disliked the same architecture, so I shall respect your love of it.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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13 October 2009
22:0330415They probably said the same thing in the 1180s when Henry II wanted to put a whacking great castle on their favourite viewing hill !
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 October 2009
22:1530416i have been on to the council about ripping that eyesore down paul.
once that is done, we can start on those dodgy looking cliffs.
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14 October 2009
03:2930417Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. An architect's journal has published its annual awards for the worst British architecture designs of the year, the Carbuncle Cup 2009. I had a look at these designs expecting to go into apoplectic fits of mixed scorn and despair. Much to my surprise, I really liked the top two worst designs!
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=430&storycode=3147432&channel=430&c=2
The Liverpool Ferry Terminal was voted worst of the year. Think it looks a sleek modern contrast to the nearby Liver buildings. Decent cladding not horrible concrete. Not keen on wonky windows but can live with it.
Make's Amenity building at the University of Nottingham, second worst. Spectacular sloping front. Brilliant black and red cladding. Dramatic stuff.
The rest I regard as common or garden ugly drab boxes, apart from one:
Poundbury Fire Station. The project by Prince Charles who gave the word carbuncle to the world of architecture. Normally I am enthusiastic about everything he does as we are of similar age and have much in common, apart from him being royal, rich and pulling Princess Diana. However, this I find a dreadful mishmash reminiscent of a Greek temple in the pediment at the front and of a Victorian sewage pumping station in the high round windows round the sides, all topped by a daft little lookout tower on the roof. Derivative and playing safe, not impressed.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 October 2009
18:0530468i am one of those that likes the discovery centre building, would look even better if the back part was not on a duel carriageway.
still as colin said, we all look at the same thing and see something different.
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15 October 2009
06:3430498I'm sure that when we loook at the run-down and dilapidated buildings, we all see the same thing Howard - we just need more people who make make the decisions, to look at them too.
Roger
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15 October 2009
09:5030523I have pointed out previously only one member of the cabinet lives in Dover ,and these days he spends more time at Maidstone .
So many people go to Canterbury ,every time i go on the bus its packed.no matter what time of day .takes me rougly forty minutes from leaving home .One bus to London Road River, hop on the 15 which stops in the centre of Canterbury . .
Talking of journeys ,I had to attend a meeting at Maidstone on Wednesday .The train left Dover priory at 12.33 pm the connection to Maidstone should have got me to Maidstone at 1.37Pm . No i did not get there until 2.00pm .The connection does not allow time to walk across to the far side platform .This has happened to me three times now .I waited over half an hour looking at a poster which said Ashford to London 37 minutes .Something when taking in the time I left River it takes two hours to get to a meeting in Maidstone .
DT1- Location: Dover
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15 October 2009
15:3130526Ed, with regard to Poundbury fire station, I couldn't agree more. I have raised the absurd nature of Poundbury on this forum before when talking about our very own council's approach to 'fitting in'. The whole of Poundbury is like one big pastiche carcrash, desperately trying to hold onto the past. I think this building expresses exactly why our future Head of State should keep his mouth closed on so many subjects (I always have to make it clear at this point that I have no problem with the existence of the monarchy, just their actions). How can someone who has never experienced the everyday use of the built environment comment on it? He and his family probably think that all public buildings smell of new paint!
These things aren't 'just a matter of opinion' otherwise there would be no point in having any officers at the council.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2009
18:5332845just looking through some old threads and noticed that jacqui started this, not heard from her since.
come on jacqui, wherever you are, let us hear what you think about the replies?
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28 November 2009
00:3534015QUOTE: "I am sure that it has been moved before in the past - perhaps Ed will know ? It may be 1923 or so when there was a lot of demolition and widening of the roads there?" UNQUOTE
Have just come across the answer to this question. The clocktower has indeed been moved before, in 1892, during the construction of the New Commercial Harbour. Following passage is from the British Association "Handbook to Dover" published in 1899.
"Of the new works the most important is the Eastern Arm or Pier*, the contract for the construction of which was obtained by Sir John Jackson, who began the approach road from the Esplanade in 1892, taking down and re-erecting the Clock Tower which stood in the way. The new work, the memorial stone of which was laid by H.R.H. the Prince of Wales in the summer of 1893, begins a little eastward of the Clock Tower, and is very substantial, the approach being supported by walls of concrete faced with granite."
* This refers to the Eastern Arm of the New Commercial Harbour, latterly named the Prince of Wales pier, and is not to be confused with the Eastern Arm of the later all-embracing Admiralty Harbour which forms the physical limits of the port we know today.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 November 2009
01:4334017Thanks Ed, knew you would be able to find the reference
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 December 2009
22:4535599Interesting coin that I just picked up from the 1893 event
Been nice knowing you :)
Been nice knowing you :)