howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 September 2008
19:166826david
try to read my post.
i have never e mailed you.
you posted on here that we should enquire about councillors attendance records, i retorted on here that i had e mailed the town council and wrote to them many times on the subject.
you stated on here yesterday that you would answer queries from people in your ward only.
it appears to me that you are throwing out mud, hoping that some will stick.
finally is it acceptable to mock victor's lack of skill with spelling?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
30 September 2008
19:166827david
try to read my post.
i have never e mailed you.
you posted on here that we should enquire about councillors attendance records, i retorted on here that i had e mailed the town council and wrote to them many times on the subject.
you stated on here yesterday that you would answer queries from people in your ward only.
it appears to me that you are throwing out mud, hoping that some will stick.
finally is it acceptable to mock victor's lack of skill with spelling?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 September 2008
19:326828Thank you for that I was never very good at names
and I am geting older but not pass it.
Vic Matcham
30 September 2008
20:186832I was not having a go about Vic's lack of spelling skills at all Howard. Please get your facts straight before accusing anyone.
On 2 forums now Vic has reffered to David Hannant as David Hammit. For those tuning into this and the other forum, you would assume from Vic's posting that there is someone called "David Hammit" on the council. This is not the case.
Vic has apperantly been around since the world began and yet did not seem to know who David H was. A little worrying considering they would have served together at Town Council level.
As the wife of a dyslexic I would hardly mock someone who could not spell. Please do try not to make assumptions Howard.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 September 2008
20:426833Mandie.
It is O.k I did think it was that David but you made it clear to me it was Howard is Ok to please do not get upset, lots say alot about me and I take it, as I said before I put myself up in the fireing line and so I will get shot at and they hit some times.
Vic Matcham
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 September 2008
21:556835mandie
do try to read my post again.
why?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Chris/David(presuming you are both still in the same Indy party, as people keep swapping parties)
You both know you are both talking twaddle(nice way of putting it)
If the Indies ever controlled the town council they to would put forward an indy mayor and have indy chairs of each committee.so do't be hoodwinked by that one.
At the end of the day theres 18 cllrs, of those 18 seats voted for and elected by the people of Dover, those 18 cllrs vote for who they want for mayor. Johns right when he says the majority vote rules(thats democracy isn't it?) or is Chris/David saying that even though theres a democratic vote and he has less votes he should still win the vote?
what kind of democracy do the live in?
John;
Yur correct in your posting ref majority vote
VIC;
I don't know who your talking to, but i'm only a pleb in the labour party but iv just spoken to Gordon Cowan and he tells me there has been no talks on the 2009 mayor, and certainly no decision.
Usually the labour group meets and will put forward a candidate, nowt wrong with that but that won't happen for a long time yet.
As for who will be put forward by the LABOUR party they will decide when they have had there own meeting on it.
I think realy this is a lot of hot air, when the outcome realy should be about who wins the most seats and who can run the town best for Dover.
The people decide that fate and if David/Chris feel the indies party should run the town council then they should be out campaigning all the year round for this, certainly in priory area the indies have always been quiet and not seen.
CHRIS;
On the Issue of sport, thats an nteresting post, as your aware we have a very good club that has been running for some time up on your estate, sadly after inviting you many times we have never seen you!
We do look forward to seeing your support for this club in the future.
The club holds its next Fun bingo session this coming Tuesday at the Church hall Old folkestone Road, 7pm
an event held every month.
and the 2 footy teams at the sports centre on a friday evening
and the coach trip to romford coming up soon.
All in the interests of trying to help the community of Aycliffe.
Of course its called the TOWN AND PIER ACTIVITIES CLUB
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Unfortunately Kieth, your Bingo nights have always fallen on nights when I have been at council, or related, meetings. I trust you are not suggesting that I should shirk these. On the mayoral vote you know full well that we are talking about the discussion and decision being made outside of council with your whip bringing in even those councillors who rarely show up to block vote the decision. All we are saying is that the whole process should take place in full council where the public are welcome to attend and see that it is done, as it should be, openly and for the record.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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On the small matter of attendance statistics it should be noted that at tonights Full Town Council meeting (all of which are open to the public) there were 12 councillors willing to meet people but no public to meet.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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some of us have been to meetings chris.
once bitten etc.
every time i went there was a bloke with white gloves on handing me bits of paper, which made me nervous.
usually there was one other individual that was there, who got up and went after his/her planning application had been discussed.
just as it gets interesting the chap with the gloves and the military uniform escorts me to the door, as the public are not
allowed to stay any longer.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Only when we are discussing staff issues. Would you want your wages and terms discussed in public?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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so why do they not tell me that?
i would understand that.
the general arrogance does gall me.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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It does say it on the agenda's that are given to all those who attend meetings, right under 'exclusion of the public'.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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As has been mentioned on this, and other threads, DTC is putting together a 'Corporate Plan' (or business plan if you prefer) and there will be a public consultation on this in the council offices on 6 November. Your chance to hear about it and have your say and open to the public.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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chris
it does not say why the public are excluded.
why can they not say this?
incidentally what is the point of a corporate plan, if they cannot answer questions from the electorate?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Chris
Me make accusations? as if !!!!
Can't believe you have ,meetings EVERY friday evening, but maybe you do!!
The Labour party does NOT have a whip, but as iv said it does meet to decide which LABOUR candidate i wishes to put forward, I can see nohing wrong with that, all those that stand under the LABOUR banner should have the support of the LABOUR PARTY
what cant happen is everyone in the labour party works there socks off to get labour cllrs elected ans as soon as they get elected they act as indies.
My view has always been if you stand as labour candidate they you do have to abide as you every ;labour candidate has signed to do, under labour party rules.
Of course I HAVE no problems with other parties standing and thats democracy, but all i say is that every group meets at every council level to discuss agenda's etc I also can see no problem with that.
But on working together I know a number of indies and labour cllrs work for Dover jointly which can happen.
Iv been at town council meetings where David Hannant has supported Gordon cowan and visa virsa
which you would think wouldn't happen, but shows it can.
The labour party will be campaigning as it does all the year round(not just election time) to elect as many cllrs as possible and im sure the indies will target some seats.#
and of course now even the tories are getting in on taking seats on the town council from the indies.
so its all looking good.
I know that David H /Chris do understand democracy as they are not silly, what it is realy about is numbers, at the moment the Indies are unable to get there numbers any higher than they are, and wihout that they will be outvoted by the higher number of labour cllrs, that is democracy,
Chris, i would be happy to attend one of your OPEN indy meetings!!
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Sure thing Keith, when do we get our invite to your Labour get togethers?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I did try to get home from work in time for the full town council meeting but did not, and before you say it if I had been on the council I would have come in late.
Vic matcham
