Sid Pollitt
1 December 2008
18:1510049At the European elections next June dont you think it would be morally bankrupt of Ukip and the Tory Party to stand candidates? I do. They dont support the EU, dont want the UK to be in the EU, but take the gravy from the train that they so strongly oppose. They should do the right thing and not stand I say.
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1 December 2008
18:2010051Our opposition to the EU is a good reason to stand. Dan Hannen, one of the EU's greatest critics is also one of the very best MEP's who exposes their abuses.
You would love a free run, perhaps thats the only way Labour can hope to win any more.
Sid Pollitt
1 December 2008
18:2210052I wouldnt want to take the money myself, I'd leave that to the morally bankrupt. My point is that they shouldnt stand candidates if they're not going to do the job. Or do it for free and dont take the lolly. At least when republicans in NI won Westminster seats they didnt take them up [or pocket the euros].
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 December 2008
20:2010062that is a subject that a lot of people comment upon.
the euro mps earn a small fortune in wages and expenses.
some of them then slag it off!
no wonder politicians are getting so little respect from the public.
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1 December 2008
20:4410064I see the regular Newsletter from MEP Daniel Hannan and I have to admit I dont like it. On one hand he is taking the European Shilling and then on the other hand he sets about bringing the whole organisation into total disrepute, whenever he can manage it. More fool the people that voted this chap in. If they want proper representation they should vote for someone who is enthusiastic about the job of representing them properly without any of these unpalatable aspirations of subversion.
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1 December 2008
23:2110075Dan Hannan exposes the absurdities and corruption that is rife in the EU and is without a doubt the best MEP that we have.
Sid's idea of democracy is clearly copied from Mugabe....Its OK to arrest Opposition MP's on trumped up charges for embarrassing the government and dissenting voices should be stopped from standing for election.
I am relieved that you dont like Dan's newsletter PaulB, if you did I would have thought Dan would be going native. EU enthusiasts depend on the public being hoodwinked to get their way and Dan is good at opening people's eyes.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 December 2008
23:5510081dan is earning a great deal of dosh from this.
how much of it does he donate to anti corruption causes?
no doubt he will bring out a book about the "corruption" in the future, and donate all profits to good causes.
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2 December 2008
08:5910090The whole point is howard that whatever you feel about the institution of the EU there is a job that needs to be done and far better to get on the inside who those are sceptical to do it. Dan performs excellently at every level that he is expected to perform in his job, as one of the 10 representatives of the South East.
I see that Mugabeism is rife here in Dover as much as it is in Westminster these days.l
Sid Pollitt
2 December 2008
13:0210103It doesnt seem like working from the inside to change it though does it? If it's wrong say it's wrong from the outside from a position of principle without taking the money.
What is Mugabeism then?
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2 December 2008
13:1110105Simple Sid - support for the arresting of opposition MP's for doing their legitimate job and advocating the excusion of opponents from standing for election are two traits we have seen on this forum. In the Government we have seen the politisisation of the police as well.
I see today that there is to be an enquiry into the Met over this to be done within two weeks. The Met are already backtracking and insiders have leaked (wait for the political police to come around and lock me up!) that there is no prospect at all of any charges being laid against Green.
The position of the Speaker and the Sergeant at Arms is looking increasingly precarious. The recent email that has also been leaked indicates attempts at a Government cover up.
You can expect a lot more developments over the next few days.
Sid Pollitt
2 December 2008
13:1310106Oh, the police state spin. Blah, blah, blah. More accusations and empty predictions. Yawn.
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2 December 2008
14:5710112Indeed Sid. Dont take my word for it - I repeat what I posted earlier..
"I may sound strangely medieval, but once the police can interfere with Parliament, I tell you, you are into a police state."" Tony Benn commenting on the Green affair. Many other people from the left, right and centre are saying the same thing.
You might trust this Government, I dont and neither do more and more people.
Brian Dixon
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2 December 2008
15:0210114i dont trust any goverment and that includes a tory goverment.
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2 December 2008
15:0710115Fair comment Brian - that is why I am a Tory, I want a lot less Government rather than an interfering, 'I know best' nannying Labour Government.
Sid Pollitt
2 December 2008
15:0810116I've had a reasoned and independent look at things and have discovered that, as I thought, this topic is about candidates standing at the European elections next year. There are also Kent County Council elections taking place in 2009, I do not believe that any of the main parties will be standing candidates that will be saying vote for me so that I can go to County Hall and not support the work of KCC, not represent the electorate and rubbish continuously the authority. Some Tory, and all Ukip, candidates in the Euro elections will be saying something similar and will be taking the money in a unprincipled and morally bankrupt way.
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2 December 2008
16:0510120I cannot speak for UKIP but Eurosceptic Conservative MEPs do a good job representing their electorate. Dan Hannen and Richard Ashworth are particularly good in this respect, as well as holding this corrupt organisation to account.
Sid Pollitt
2 December 2008
16:2010123If the EU is corrupt aren't they tainted? If the EU aint working why dont they set theirselves up as investagative reporters and expose it all. No, they want the money dont they? Back to my KCC point, will anyone from the main parties stand in the County Council elections next year saying that they want the KCC scrapped, or that it's rubbish or corrupt? No, of course not. Taxation without representation perhaps.
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2 December 2008
18:3910137Thought members may be interested in a bit of Mr Hannans recent background and statements.
The right-wing Tory MEP and leader writer for the Daily Telegraph Daniel Hannan faces expulsion from the conservative group in the European Parliament. He unbelievably compared the introduction of new powers for the EP President (the German Hans-Gert Pöttering - himself a conservative) to prevent the misuse of procedural devices with the 1933 Enabling Act (Ermächtigungsgesetz) that gave Hitler unlimited power. This all happened on 31st January 2008 during Holocaust week!
After Hannan's disgraceful remarks his own group leader, the French Joseph Daul, took the floor to anoounce that he would seek the expulsion of Mr Hannan. the Socialist Group in the European Parliament also published a few reactions:
Socialist spokesman on Constitutional Affairs, Richard Corbett said: "Dan Hannan's comparison of President Pöttering to Hitler was absolutely disgraceful and he is likely to be rightly expelled from the EPP as a result."
Martin Schulz (leader of the Socialist Group): "Mr Hannan's remarks were a deep insult to Hans-Gert Pöttering and the whole European Parliament. Mr Daul's response shows that he is a very honest man. People like Hannan not only do not speak on behalf of the Conservatives in Europe, they have no base in the European Parliament. They are entirely isolated. The Conservatives in Great Britain and their leader David Cameron should reflect on whether such people, so close to the right-wing extremists, should be in their party."
So this is your new moderate Tory party, Mr Cameron?
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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2 December 2008
20:2510146I agree totally with Dan Hannen. His so called 'group leader' you quote leads the discredited Federalist EPP. Good for him and the sooner we quit the EPP officially the better.
I note that you are quoting European Socialists and Federalists Marek, so it is hardly surprising what they say as Dan has been a thorn in their side for years and a very effective one too.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 December 2008
21:4910154getting back to the over kill with references to mr mugabe.
i have no reason to believe that the honourable member for ashford is sitting now with electrodes attached to his gonads.
not that it would affect his, sorry the, honourable member.