Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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29 November 2008
22:139976In the Tower Hamlets area we are proposing to start a Partners and Community Together(PACT) group,which will involve all local people and representatives from local organisations.Together they aim to improve the long term quality of Tower Hamlets.
The main issues would be to discuss the quality of life and could include Crime and Disorder,Health,Education and Learning,Anti-Social Behaviour,Housing,Street Lighting,noise and litter.In fact we will discuss anything you want to talk about over the next few meetings.
As a guest speaker at the first meeting we have asked Councillor Anne Smith who is a leading member of Buckland Ward(PACT) to tellus how (PACT) works in her ward.
The first meeting will be on Tuesday 06th January 2009 at 7pm at Rowellan Hall(Scout Hut) on the corner of Astor Avenue and Northbourne Avenue.
If you care about your community,please come.
contact John Goodwin on 01304212277 or
cllrjohngoodwin@dover.gov.uk.
Thank you
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 November 2008
22:439977john
is this just another talking shop or is there funding to support any initiatives from the audience.
as a councillor, you will know as well as i do, that the anti social behaviour department exists in name only.
Ross Miller
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30 November 2008
00:159979Does it really need money?
How about people deciding on courses of action for themselves and then making it happen.
Too often at a community level we abrogate our responsibilities and defer to people in positions of authority. Surely we as a community need to reclaim our environment for ourselves, through shows of pride, collectiveness etc.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 November 2008
09:229982Well done John.
I tried to do this with the Priory Forum a couple of years; it was going to be called "Pride in Priory".
I had talked to the Police and other agencies and every one of them thought it was a great idea and very necessary.
I had written a paper on how I saw it progressing and the things that needed attention (as your's does), but it was turned down flat by the other committee members - I think there may have been one who thought it was worthwhile, but no others.
It is a great idea - to bring the communities together, but there needs to be common concensus at "base-level" - to want to improve their lives and surroundings.
Many people in the Priory part of the Maxton, Elmsvale and Priory Ward are transient, but that shouldn't make too much difference (although I do accept that those transient people will be less bothered about their envirionment and community); it's the quality of life that matters - isn't it ?
Roger
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30 November 2008
09:509986Thanks for your positive comments,Howard we have no funding as yet,we may not need any,but what we can do is pull all the various strings to get them work together.I as you know got the mural done and we are looking at a Community Garden and hopefully thre is lots I would like to do,if I get the Community together.We are lucky in Tower Hamlets that although we have our problems we have not suffered as much Anti - Social behaviour as they have done in other parts of the Town,we do not have a Community Centre either and that would be nice so if anyone has loads of££££ they don't want you know where I am.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 November 2008
20:3910022i wish you well in your endeavours john, can i assume that the ASBO department is fully functioning then?
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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30 November 2008
21:1110028Don't know they won't contact me,I have e-mailed,nothing,sent letters signed by 4 Councillors ,nothing called them left messages,nothing.What frightens me is I am Shadow portfolio holder for Community Citizenship Youth and Sport.I have heard from another Cllr that she saw the top man the other week and she spoke to him and now he refuses to speak to her!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 November 2008
21:2510029i understood that they striped up the tourism department to fund the ASBO team.
i notice that all the posters advertising (anti social behaviour, don't put up with it etc etc, we will go round and give them a punch up the bracket) are gone, and have been replaced by dover regeneration blurbs.
i have given up chasing my very serious matter, the eye witnesses have all moved away in that time.
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 November 2008
23:5810030Howard
If you come to Priory Forum meeting tomorrow, Monday at 7pm at the hall, it is on our agenda, hopefully we can move forward
Sheila
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9 December 2008
00:5210610ROGER
you will find that you are incorrect in previous postings
PRIORY FORUM has had PACT meetings in the past , and this was to go on each agenda.
Surprized Roger that you say it never happened as im sure you were at some of these PACT meetings at piory forum.
I think you refer to what your views were, but these could have been raised again at these PACT meetings if you felt so strongly about them.
I'm nolonger part of priory forum, but what i can say is that when i was chair i recall your paper, it had many issues within it.
Many were already actioned and i would have meant duplication of things already happening.
Others could have been taken up through the priory forum you dont have to change a name to do it.
iF i recall you were going to go away and find out out the private landlords which were a problem, but i don't recall that coming back.
So it was rejected for good reason, the priory forum has a few volunteers and needs more, it cant take on the world.
Your proposal would have taken a lot of manpower nd the volunteers would have been a problem to find.
hope that clarifies
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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9 December 2008
09:1910624Thanks for that Keith, but I don't recall PACT being on teh Agendas - in fact it was on the last one and people (members) didn't know why, then it was decided that it should be PACE - working with the Police, the PCSO and with this Dominic.
I agree that I did want to start an initiative called Pride in Priory and yes it had many diverse aspects to it; I had even written a letter that could have been delivered to all the homes in and around the Priory area, advising what we wanted to do and asking for community involvement so it would be a success for everyone and we could once again have "Pride in Priory".
I don't recall I was going to find out about private landlords - the initiative died because you didn't support it, so there wasn't any reason I was going to do anything for a project or initiative that was dead.
Just to finish, it was rejected for NO GOOD REASON, other than you as Chairman, didn't want to support it.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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9 December 2008
20:1410673i was not at the meeting but my understanding from people who attended was that the paper presented by roger was good but impractical.
simply put, it would have meant many more volunteers than there are at present.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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9 December 2008
20:3110680I agree Howard, but if the initial letter had gone out, it may well have generated more volunteers and it coykd have worked very well - it would have given the Priory Forum a focus too.
Roger
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9 December 2008
22:2610695Roger
If only i were that powerful!
Do yu realy think those members of priory forum have no minds of there own?
We have poster on here who is very strong minded, and if she feels strongly about any issue she wouldn't listen to me she would say it as it was(and rightly so)
and other priory forum members also have strong views and certainly i have not always agreed with them, and we have at times had very heated discussions.
I feel your putting down other priory forum members like you have puts you in a bad light.
At the end of the day like every other committee member present your paper (like any other discussion) had a long debate, and it was by democratic decision not to go forward with it.
I think only yourself supported it.
That is democracy, and iv been on decisions like yourself wanting to push things thru I believe in, but lost vote, but i believe in democracy as i hope you do.
Its all to easy putting down members that can't speak up for themselves, but i will to make sure the correct posting is given and a accurate.
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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9 December 2008
23:1610698Pact has been on nearly every Priory Forum agenda, since it was introduced, but since the first talks nothing has ever come of it, the last meeting we had PACE, I do hope this goes forward and does not become a stalemate, PACE is what we need in this area, and with what seems like a eager team, I think it could achieve much
Sheila
PS. PACE stands for pathways accreditation and continuous education, this is not only for youngsters it is also for adults
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9 December 2008
23:2010700thank you for clarification sheila
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 December 2008
08:0110711If PACT has been on the agenda I don't recall it ever being discussed.
I'm not running down any one on the PF and it's wrong of you to say I am. I resent the fact you are calling me a liar.
Pride in Priory could have given the PF a real focus; it was supported by outside agencies, just not you; (PF) people did look to you for guidance; because they follow what you put to them, doesn't mean they can't think for themselves, they respected your view and most of them, mostly followed it.
Roger
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10 December 2008
08:1610712Roger
Please don't think I'm calling you a liar, I'm not, but PACT has never come to fruitition with us, Lyndsey brought someone along to talk to us about it, but nothing seemed to come of it, our meetings at that time were few and far between, that is where it fell by the wayside, I think it was put on the agenda so it might be picked up again, but never was, still we will pursue PACE and get that running ASAP
Sheila
PS don't think plans any good
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10 December 2008
09:1910714Howard, Tourism was stripped out before Community Safety Unit was set up & not by my administration. I know the origin of the comment you refer to & it is plainly wrong. It is difficult to fund tourism to the levels it should be with the current local government financing regime. Community Safety/Development is part of a wider government requirement , tourism is not.
Great to see JHG facilitating community action.
John if you can't get co-operation talk directly to Brin Hill. I would also speak to your Cabinet opposite number & arrange a get together.
If there are resources , Brin knows how to tap them.
Watty
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10 December 2008
10:0410716Our PACT in Buckland has now evolved somewhat. It is now encompassed in with the Canadian Est group and linked into Buckland together. Each community is different so these things need to be tailored to suit the communitys needs.
So you will find as you go along you will need to adapt and change as the communities needs change, ours has been running for sometime now very successfully, so good luck tower hamlets.
Some of our funding has been raised by the community itself and through grants that are available.